Plane waves: sign of Re(ε), Re(μ) in passive media, attenuation angle

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The discussion centers on the properties of plane waves propagating through a specific type of medium characterized as linear, homogeneous, isotropic, and passive, with a focus on the implications of complex permittivity and permeability in temporally dispersive media. Participants explore the concept of the attenuation angle and its relationship to the real and imaginary parts of permittivity and permeability.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the characteristics of the medium and presents the mathematical relationships involving permittivity and permeability, questioning the positivity of their real parts in passive media.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of spatial dispersion and its implications for the magnetic response of the medium, suggesting that the non-dispersive nature of the medium may not be critical to the discussion.
  • A third participant emphasizes that no approximations were made regarding the properties of permittivity and permeability, indicating a need for clarity on their behavior in passive media.
  • Further, one participant claims their argument is more general as it does not assume the absence of spatial dispersion, referencing additional literature to support their point.
  • Another participant expresses appreciation for the shared resource, indicating it was helpful in understanding the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the positivity of the real parts of permittivity and permeability in passive media, and there are competing views regarding the relevance of spatial dispersion to the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in assumptions about the behavior of permittivity and permeability, particularly regarding their real parts in passive media, and the implications of spatial dispersion are not fully resolved.

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Hello,
I'm having some issues with plane waves propagating through a medium which is:
- linear
- spatially and temporally homogeneous
- spatially non-dispersive
- isotropic
- temporally dispersive
- passive

I know that permittivity, permeability and the k-vector are complex in temporally dispersive media.

There are different notations of the above-mentioned quantities, so I'm going to briefly introduce those which I'm used to:
\epsilon (\omega) = \epsilon ' (\omega) - j \epsilon''(\omega)\mu (\omega) = \mu ' (\omega) - j \mu''(\omega)\underline{k} = \underline{\beta} - j \underline{\alpha}\underline{k} \cdot \underline{k} = \omega^2 \epsilon \muWhere\epsilon'' , \mu'' \geq 0 in a passive medium and \alpha>0.

During class, my professor stated that, in the medium in question, the so-called "attenuation angle" (the angle between the attenuation vector alpha and the phase vector beta) is 90° or lower, because:\underline{\alpha} \cdot \underline{\beta} \geq0
The statement was derived from the following equation:
(\underline{\beta} - j \underline{\alpha}) (\underline{\beta} - j \underline{\alpha}) = \omega^2 \epsilon \mu
(Tearing Re[] and Im[] apart we have:)
[PLAIN]http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/706/immagine1iz.png

My professor said Im[\epsilon \mu] < 0 and my issue is right here.
I carried out the product:
\epsilon \mu = (\epsilon ' - j \epsilon'' ) (\mu' - j \mu'') = \epsilon' \mu' - j \epsilon' \mu'' - j \epsilon'' \mu' - \epsilon'' \mu''Im[\epsilon \mu] = - \epsilon' \mu'' - \epsilon'' \mu'

Mu'' and epsilon'' are non-negative, but what about mu' and epsilon' ?
Are they both positive in a passive medium?

Thanks in advance.
 
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A magnetic response of a medium is equivalent to spatial dispersion as i omega E=rot B whence a material with mu different from mu_0 can always be described as a material with mu=mu_0 and a k dependent epsilon (that is, spatial dispersion), at least at non-zero frequency.
However, I don't see that the answer to your question depends on the medium being non-dispersive. So if you write mu=mu_0, this implies that mu''=0.
Epsilon will then be a function of k but still epsilon''>0. Hence epsilon'' mu' <0 which is all you need.
 
In that case, the inequality would be prooved. But my problem is: no approximation was made about epsilon and mu.
 
Well, that was some helpful pdf. Thanks!
 

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