Plastic analysis of a beam,virtual work?

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The discussion revolves around the plastic analysis of beams, specifically focusing on the work done at plastic hinges and the relationship between internal and external work. Participants are exploring the mathematical expressions related to these concepts, including the angles involved and the definitions of work in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the work at the plastic hinge is expressed as MP*2*theta instead of MA, seeking clarification on the angle relationships involved.
  • Another participant explains that the elastic moment is MA until yielding occurs, after which it becomes the plastic moment MP, and that the work done at the plastic hinge is based on the rotation through an angle of 2*theta.
  • There is a query about the relationship between the displacement of the working load and the expression W(L/2*theta), with a request for clarification on this result.
  • A follow-up question asks why the work done at three plastic hinges is represented as MP(theta + 2*theta + theta), indicating a need for further understanding of the angle contributions.
  • One participant notes that the internal work is defined as MP*2*theta for the unshown beam, while for another figure, the internal work is stated as MP*4*theta, highlighting a discrepancy in the angle calculations.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the derivation of the expression for the work done by the displacement of the load, with one participant admitting a lack of explanation for the author's derivation.

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Participants express differing views on the calculations and relationships involved in the work done at plastic hinges and the displacement of loads. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations of the equations and their derivations.

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The discussion references specific equations and figures that are not included in the thread, which may limit the understanding of the claims made. There is also ambiguity in the definitions and expressions used, particularly regarding the uniform load and its relation to the plastic moment.

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hI!

I'm trying to understand here a little bit of plastic analyses,but i can understand in the page of the book bellow,why the work at the plastic hinge is equal to MPx2theta?why MP and not MA?
can someone explain me this with some angle relation or trigonometrics?

the second is why the displacement of the working load is equal to W(L/2xtheta), why this result?

Is the work at the plastic hinge, the external work?
Is the displacement of the working load the internal work?

Thanks.

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em07189: The elastic moment is Ma, if the beam is not yielding. If you continue increasing the applied load, the moment will increase to the plastic moment Mp, when the beam collapses. The work done at the plastic hinge is Mp*2*theta, because a midspan moment Mp rotates through an angle 2*theta, where theta is just an arbitrary rotation angle, shown in the diagram. For a simply-supported beam having an applied midspan point load W, the support reaction force is 0.5*W, located at a distance 0.5*L from the beam midspan. Therefore, the external work done by each support reaction force on the beam midspan is 2(0.5*L)(0.5*W)(theta) = 0.5*W*L*theta. The work of Mp at the plastic hinge is the internal work. The work due to displacement of the applied load W is the external work.
 
HI nvn!

And thanks for you help.

But I'm still not understanding why the work at the plastic hing gives MP*2theta?

why the workdone at the tree plastic hinges is =MP(theta+2*theta+theta)?

and why work done by the displacement of the load=W/L*L/2*L/2*theta? why this reaults?

thanks again.
 
em07189: Keep in mind, posts 1 and 2, and equations 2.24 and 2.25, refer to a preceding diagram, which you did not post. Only equations 2.26 and 2.27 refer to figure 2.20. Work is defined as a force translating through a distance, or a torque rotating through an angle. For the unshown beam, the beam rotates through two angles theta; therefore, the internal work is Mp*2*theta.

Your last two questions in post 3 refer to figure 2.20. The beam rotates through four angles theta. Therefore, the internal work is Mp*4*theta. I currently don't have an explanation for your last question, because the author does not show his derivation. And the way he has written W is unclear. If the uniform load were w, having units of force per unit length, then equation 2.27 would be Mp = w*(L^2)/16, which is the correct answer. If W = w*L, then this becomes Mp = W*L/16. But I currently don't have an explanation for equation 2.26.b.
 

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