Please check my work (friction on an incline plane)

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of two blocks connected by a string over a pulley, with one block on an incline and the other hanging. The user attempts to derive the angle of the incline that allows the masses to move at constant speed, using equations that relate gravitational force, friction, and tension. There are concerns about the validity of substituting the coefficient of friction with the tangent of the angle and whether the forces acting on the system are correctly accounted for. Participants emphasize the importance of including all forces, such as tension and friction, in the analysis and suggest using a free body diagram for clarity. The conversation highlights the need for accurate equations and understanding of equilibrium conditions for solving the problem effectively.
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two blocks of unequal mass are connected by a string over a smooth pulley. one mass of mass 2m rests on the incline while the second mass of mass m is hung over a pulley over the incline if the coefficient of friction is μk, what angle of the incline allows the masses to move at a constant speed?|F1| = |F2|

F1= weight of mass hanging over the pulley

F2=Ʃforce acting on mass (2m) ie.. the x component of force along the direction of the incline + friction

mg=(2m)gsinθ+(μk)(2m)gcosθ

mg=(2mg)(sinθ+(μk)cosθ)

mg's cancel..

(1/2)=(sinθ+(μk)cosθ)

but since i know that.. μk=tanθ,

1/2=sinθ+tanθcosθ = sinθ+sinθ= 2sinθ

sinθ=(1/4)

θ=14.4775°

is the way i substituted tanθ for the coefficient valid? if not, why is it not valid?
 
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Why should the force from the hanging mass be equal to the horizontal component of the force on the other mass? I would assume the string goes along the incline.

mg=(2m)gsinθ+(μk)(2m)gcosθ
This looks like the mass m is hanging now, instead of the mass 2m. How did you get that formula?

The result will certainly depend on μk, a specific number cannot be right as result.

Please add explanations to your formulas, otherwise it is hard to understand what you did and what was wrong.
 
i fixed the m and 2m error.

i set mg equal to the rest of that because the problem wanted me to find the theta when the net force is zero.

so starting here,

mg=(2m)gsinθ+(μk)(2m)gcosθ

factoring mg..

mg=(2mg)(sinθ+(μk)cosθ)

mg's cancel..

(1/2)=(sinθ+(μk)cosθ)

now I'm supposed to solve for theta but i don't know how.. :(
 
You have to start earlier. Did you draw a sketch? Did you identify all forces acting on the system?
Which forces have to be in equilibrium?

(sinθ)^2+(cosθ)^2=1 might be handy somewhere in the solving process, but first you need correct equations for the forces.
 
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here is the free body diagram with the arbitrary direction-sign specification (although that part wasn't needed)

http://i.imgur.com/BCmluRZ.png
You left out the tension force and the friction.

Hint: If the speed is constant, what must be the tension?
 
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i essentially set the two tensions equal to one another. where..

T1=mg
T2=(2m)gsinθ+(μk)(2m)gcosθ

does this depend on the direction of the blocks? since if the blocks move to the right..

mg=(2m)gsinθ+(μk)(2m)gcosθ

and if the blocks move to the left..

mg=(2m)gsinθ-(μk)(2m)gcosθ

so this is actually \hat{v} dependent?
 
Solve it both ways and see if you get reasonable answers.
 
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