Polynomial Span related problem Linear Algebra

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the vector space F(R) and a specific subspace U defined by functions that take the same value at x = -1 and x = 1. Participants are tasked with demonstrating properties of certain polynomial functions regarding their membership in U and their relationships in terms of span.

Discussion Character

  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore whether specific functions belong to the subspace U by evaluating them at given points.
  • There are attempts to express one function as a linear combination of others, leading to discussions about solving systems of equations.
  • Some participants question the accuracy of the polynomial definitions provided in the problem statement.
  • There is a request for clarification on the process of verifying span relationships between the functions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have successfully shown that certain functions belong to U, while others express confusion about the span and how to approach the linear combinations. There is ongoing dialogue about the correct forms of the functions and how to set up the equations for the span verification.

Contextual Notes

Participants note discrepancies in the polynomial definitions, which may affect the analysis. There is also mention of homework constraints that guide the discussion, such as the requirement to show specific properties without providing complete solutions.

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Homework Statement



Consider the vector space F(R) = {f | f : R → R}, with the standard operations. Recall that the zero of F(R) is the function that has the value 0 for all
x ∈ R:
Let U = {f ∈ F(R) | f(1) = f(−1)} be the subspace of functions which have
the same value at x = −1 and x = 1.
Define functions g; h; j and k ∈ F[R] by
g(x) = 2x^3− x − 2x^2+ 1;
h(x) = x^3+ x^2− x + 1;
k(x) = −x^3+ 5x^2+ x + 1 and
j(x) = x^3− x; ∀x ∈ R:
a) Show that g and h belong to U.
b) Show that k ∈ span{g; h}.
c) Show that j /∈ span{g; h}.
d) Show that span{g; h} /= span{g; h; j}.

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The Attempt at a Solution




My Attempt:

I have no idea how to do a) I tried plugging -1 and +1 in g and h however it doesn't meet the requirement of f(1)=f(-1).

I am sure I know how to do party b,c and d. However, I am doing something wrong and have no clue what it is...

So what I did for b) was:

k = a(g) + b(h)

after that you get something like (...)x^3 + (...)x^2 + (...)x + (a+b)

So I set the coefficient (...) equal to the coefficients of k (-1,5,1,1)
however I am unable to solve the linear system.
But it says it is in the span so I don't know what happened maybe mtah error, but I redid it a lot of times.
 
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1LastTry said:

Homework Statement



Consider the vector space F(R) = {f | f : R → R}, with the standard operations. Recall that the zero of F(R) is the function that has the value 0 for all
x ∈ R:
Let U = {f ∈ F(R) | f(1) = f(−1)} be the subspace of functions which have
the same value at x = −1 and x = 1.
Define functions g; h; j and k ∈ F[R] by
g(x) = 2x^3− x − 2x^2+ 1;
I suspect you have copied this wrong. It should be g(x)= 2x^3- x^2- 2x+ 1.

h(x) = x^3+ x^2− x + 1;
k(x) = −x^3+ 5x^2+ x + 1 and
j(x) = x^3− x; ∀x ∈ R:
a) Show that g and h belong to U.
b) Show that k ∈ span{g; h}.
c) Show that j /∈ span{g; h}.
d) Show that span{g; h} /= span{g; h; j}.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution




My Attempt:

I have no idea how to do a) I tried plugging -1 and +1 in g and h however it doesn't meet the requirement of f(1)=f(-1).
I am sure I know how to do party b,c and d. However, I am doing something wrong and have no clue what it is...

So what I did for b) was:

k = a(g) + b(h)

after that you get something like (...)x^3 + (...)x^2 + (...)x + (a+b)

So I set the coefficient (...) equal to the coefficients of k (-1,5,1,1)
however I am unable to solve the linear system.
But it says it is in the span so I don't know what happened maybe mtah error, but I redid it a lot of times.
 
no I didn't copy anything wrong that was exactly how it was.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I suspect you have copied this wrong. It should be g(x)= 2x^3- x^2- 2x+ 1.
it is right it is -x* not -2x
 
Then it is an error in your text. The statements are true if g(x)= )= 2x^3- x^2- 2x+ 1, not 2x^3- x- 2x^2+ 1. (It is also peculiar that the polynomial is not in standard form. That is why I thought about 2x^3- x^2- 2x+ 1.)
 
HallsofIvy, you are right. g(x) = 2x^3 - x^2 -2x + 1. I did part a by calculating g(1) = 0 and g(-1) = 0 therefore g(1) = g(-1) so g belongs to U. Then I did h(1) = 2 and h(-1) = 2 so h(1) = h(-1) therefore h also belongs to U. I am stuck at the span part and not really sure what I am supposed to do. It would be great if someone could help me out :)
 
anyone want to help me with part b please? I understand that it is asking whether k is a linear combination of g + h. So basically k = ag + bh of a and b are all real numbers. I just don't understand what number to use for a and b because none of them get be k :( Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!
 
It is 2x^3-x^2-2x+1 the teacher made a mistake.

To do this you do what you said set ag+bh=k

You don't have to sub in for x

so ag+bh=k would be: a(2x^3-x^2-2x+1)+b(x^3+x^2-x+1)=-x^3+5x^2+x+1

so after you expand and factor out the a,b and c you get

(2+b)x^3-(a-b)x^2-(2+b)x+a+b = -x^3+5x^2+x+1

so you set the coefficients equal to each other you get:

2a+b=-1
-a+b=5
-2a-b=1
a+b=1

Solve this linear system and you has the answer, it is solvable so it is part of the span.
 
1LastTry said:
It is 2x^3-x^2-2x+1 the teacher made a mistake.

To do this you do what you said set ag+bh=k

You don't have to sub in for x

so ag+bh=k would be: a(2x^3-x^2-2x+1)+b(x^3+x^2-x+1)=-x^3+5x^2+x+1

so after you expand and factor out the a,b and c you get

(2+b)x^3-(a-b)x^2-(2+b)x+a+b = -x^3+5x^2+x+1

so you set the coefficients equal to each other you get:

2a+b=-1
-a+b=5
-2a-b=1
a+b=1

Solve this linear system and you has the answer, it is solvable so it is part of the span.

Oh okay, thanks for your help! See you around uOttawa :D
 
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how do you do part d i don't understand it
 
  • #11
after you verify c) you can just say that since j is not in {g,h} therefore {g,h} is not in {g,h,j}.

It is basically the same process if you don't do that^. :)
 

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