Polynomial Span related problem Linear Algebra

In summary: you know already that j is not in the span of g and h, just show that span(g,h) contains at least one vector that is not in span (g,h,j) to show that the spans are not equal.
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Homework Statement



Consider the vector space F(R) = {f | f : R → R}, with the standard operations. Recall that the zero of F(R) is the function that has the value 0 for all
x ∈ R:
Let U = {f ∈ F(R) | f(1) = f(−1)} be the subspace of functions which have
the same value at x = −1 and x = 1.
Define functions g; h; j and k ∈ F[R] by
g(x) = 2x^3− x − 2x^2+ 1;
h(x) = x^3+ x^2− x + 1;
k(x) = −x^3+ 5x^2+ x + 1 and
j(x) = x^3− x; ∀x ∈ R:
a) Show that g and h belong to U.
b) Show that k ∈ span{g; h}.
c) Show that j /∈ span{g; h}.
d) Show that span{g; h} /= span{g; h; j}.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution




My Attempt:

I have no idea how to do a) I tried plugging -1 and +1 in g and h however it doesn't meet the requirement of f(1)=f(-1).

I am sure I know how to do party b,c and d. However, I am doing something wrong and have no clue what it is...

So what I did for b) was:

k = a(g) + b(h)

after that you get something like (...)x^3 + (...)x^2 + (...)x + (a+b)

So I set the coefficient (...) equal to the coefficients of k (-1,5,1,1)
however I am unable to solve the linear system.
But it says it is in the span so I don't know what happened maybe mtah error, but I redid it a lot of times.
 
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1LastTry said:

Homework Statement



Consider the vector space F(R) = {f | f : R → R}, with the standard operations. Recall that the zero of F(R) is the function that has the value 0 for all
x ∈ R:
Let U = {f ∈ F(R) | f(1) = f(−1)} be the subspace of functions which have
the same value at x = −1 and x = 1.
Define functions g; h; j and k ∈ F[R] by
g(x) = 2x^3− x − 2x^2+ 1;
I suspect you have copied this wrong. It should be g(x)= 2x^3- x^2- 2x+ 1.

h(x) = x^3+ x^2− x + 1;
k(x) = −x^3+ 5x^2+ x + 1 and
j(x) = x^3− x; ∀x ∈ R:
a) Show that g and h belong to U.
b) Show that k ∈ span{g; h}.
c) Show that j /∈ span{g; h}.
d) Show that span{g; h} /= span{g; h; j}.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution




My Attempt:

I have no idea how to do a) I tried plugging -1 and +1 in g and h however it doesn't meet the requirement of f(1)=f(-1).
I am sure I know how to do party b,c and d. However, I am doing something wrong and have no clue what it is...

So what I did for b) was:

k = a(g) + b(h)

after that you get something like (...)x^3 + (...)x^2 + (...)x + (a+b)

So I set the coefficient (...) equal to the coefficients of k (-1,5,1,1)
however I am unable to solve the linear system.
But it says it is in the span so I don't know what happened maybe mtah error, but I redid it a lot of times.
 
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no I didn't copy anything wrong that was exactly how it was.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
I suspect you have copied this wrong. It should be g(x)= 2x^3- x^2- 2x+ 1.
it is right it is -x* not -2x
 
  • #5
Then it is an error in your text. The statements are true if g(x)= )= 2x^3- x^2- 2x+ 1, not 2x^3- x- 2x^2+ 1. (It is also peculiar that the polynomial is not in standard form. That is why I thought about 2x^3- x^2- 2x+ 1.)
 
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HallsofIvy, you are right. g(x) = 2x^3 - x^2 -2x + 1. I did part a by calculating g(1) = 0 and g(-1) = 0 therefore g(1) = g(-1) so g belongs to U. Then I did h(1) = 2 and h(-1) = 2 so h(1) = h(-1) therefore h also belongs to U. I am stuck at the span part and not really sure what I am supposed to do. It would be great if someone could help me out :)
 
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anyone want to help me with part b please? I understand that it is asking whether k is a linear combination of g + h. So basically k = ag + bh of a and b are all real numbers. I just don't understand what number to use for a and b because none of them get be k :( Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!
 
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It is 2x^3-x^2-2x+1 the teacher made a mistake.

To do this you do what you said set ag+bh=k

You don't have to sub in for x

so ag+bh=k would be: a(2x^3-x^2-2x+1)+b(x^3+x^2-x+1)=-x^3+5x^2+x+1

so after you expand and factor out the a,b and c you get

(2+b)x^3-(a-b)x^2-(2+b)x+a+b = -x^3+5x^2+x+1

so you set the coefficients equal to each other you get:

2a+b=-1
-a+b=5
-2a-b=1
a+b=1

Solve this linear system and you has the answer, it is solvable so it is part of the span.
 
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1LastTry said:
It is 2x^3-x^2-2x+1 the teacher made a mistake.

To do this you do what you said set ag+bh=k

You don't have to sub in for x

so ag+bh=k would be: a(2x^3-x^2-2x+1)+b(x^3+x^2-x+1)=-x^3+5x^2+x+1

so after you expand and factor out the a,b and c you get

(2+b)x^3-(a-b)x^2-(2+b)x+a+b = -x^3+5x^2+x+1

so you set the coefficients equal to each other you get:

2a+b=-1
-a+b=5
-2a-b=1
a+b=1

Solve this linear system and you has the answer, it is solvable so it is part of the span.

Oh okay, thanks for your help! See you around uOttawa :D
 
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how do you do part d i don't understand it
 
  • #11
after you verify c) you can just say that since j is not in {g,h} therefore {g,h} is not in {g,h,j}.

It is basically the same process if you don't do that^. :)
 

Related to Polynomial Span related problem Linear Algebra

1. What is a polynomial span in linear algebra?

A polynomial span in linear algebra refers to the set of all possible polynomials that can be formed by linear combinations of a given set of polynomials. It is similar to the concept of vector span, where a set of vectors can be combined to form all possible linear combinations.

2. How is the polynomial span related to linear independence?

The polynomial span and linear independence are closely related concepts. A set of polynomials is linearly independent if none of the polynomials in the set can be formed by linear combinations of the other polynomials. If a set of polynomials is linearly independent, then it forms a basis for the polynomial span.

3. How is the polynomial span used in solving linear algebra problems?

The polynomial span is used in solving linear algebra problems by providing a basis for the set of polynomials involved in the problem. This allows for the use of standard linear algebra techniques, such as matrix operations and Gaussian elimination, to solve the problem.

4. Can a polynomial span have an infinite number of polynomials?

Yes, a polynomial span can have an infinite number of polynomials. This is because there are an infinite number of possible combinations of coefficients that can be used to create new polynomials from a given set of polynomials.

5. How is the dimension of a polynomial span determined?

The dimension of a polynomial span is equal to the number of linearly independent polynomials in the set that forms the span. This can be determined by using the concept of the rank of a matrix, where the rank is equal to the number of linearly independent rows or columns in the matrix.

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