Potential barrier problem in mechanics

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The discussion revolves around a potential barrier problem in mechanics, specifically focusing on energy conservation principles and the implications of unstable equilibrium points in a system involving a ball's motion through various points labeled E, D, B, A, and C.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the application of energy conservation between different points and question the reasoning behind the choice of points for analysis. There is discussion about the significance of unstable equilibrium and the implications for minimum velocity requirements.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning, with some expressing confusion about the maximum velocity needed at the initial point and the implications of the problem's requirements. There is a recognition of differing interpretations regarding the calculated values sought in the problem.

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Some participants note potential misunderstandings regarding the problem's requirements, particularly about whether the focus should be on minimum or maximum velocities at specific points along the path.

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Homework Statement
Question:find minimum velocity so that the ball reaches A,B, and C .in the given figure
Relevant Equations
Energy conversion equation
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Here our sir said if I would apply energy conservation b/w initial point and B , we would get it wrong. But If I apply between initial point and D , we would get it right. He didn't tell why. Could anyone just explain why. One reason I thought was that since the question asked for minimum velocity and since D is a point of unstable equilibrium just giving enough velocity to get it past D is sufficient
 
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According to the diagram the initial point is at E. To get to B the ball must traverse D. The fact that B is lower than D does not matter according to classical mechanics. Mechanical energy must be conserved at every point along the path.
Quantum mechanics gives a slightly more nuanced answer.
 
Rhdjfgjgj said:
... One reason I thought was that since the question asked for minimum velocity and since D is a point of unstable equilibrium just giving enough velocity to get it past D is sufficient
I believe that your reasoning is correct.
Initial velocity at E should be the maximum minimum value that the ball will need to have to hit points A, B and C.

Edit: See post 4.
 
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Lnewqban said:
Initial velocity at E should be the maximum value that the ball will need to have to hit point A
I do not undertstand what this means. Why is there a maximum limit??
 
@Lnewqban and @Rhdjfgjgj I think the problem seeks a calculated value for ##v_0## not the ensuing values at various points on the course. Am I misreading it?
 
hutchphd said:
I do not undertstand what this means. Why is there a maximum limit??
Correction appreciated.
Post 3 edited.
 
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