Potential energy of a displaced mass on a spring

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The discussion revolves around calculating the potential energy stored in a spring when a mass is displaced. The spring's restoring force is defined by a non-linear equation involving both linear and quadratic terms. The original poster attempts to integrate the force function to find the potential energy, while also referencing standard equations for potential energy in springs.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of the force function to derive potential energy and question the validity of the equations used. There is an exploration of the implications of setting certain parameters to zero and the consistency of the equations applied.

Discussion Status

Some participants offer hints to refine the approach and clarify the relationship between the equations presented. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly regarding the conditions under which the equations are valid.

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Participants note the importance of maintaining consistency in the application of equations, especially when considering initial and final states of the system. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the conditions under which the potential energy equations apply.

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Homework Statement



A spring of negligible mass exerts a restoring force on a point mass M given by F(x)= (-k1x)+(k2x^2) where k1 and k2 >0. Calculate the potential energy U(x) stored in the spring for a displacement x. Take U=0 at x=0.

Homework Equations



ΔU=∫F(x)dx
U=½kx^2

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the equation above I tried to find the potential energy of the spring after it has been displaced by some distance x. I integrated F(x) from x=0 to some displacement x=x0.

ΔU=∫(-k1x)+(k2x^2)dx

ΔU=-k1½x0^2+k2⅓x0^3

Is this the right way in finding the potential energy?
 
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Almost. Basically you are going to refine your second relevant equation. So if ##k_2 = 0## you should find it back. Do you ?

[edit] hint: what about the discrepancy between 1st and 2nd relevant equation ?
 
BvU said:
Almost. Basically you are going to refine your second relevant equation. So if ##k_2 = 0## you should find it back. Do you ?

[edit] hint: what about the discrepancy between 1st and 2nd relevant equation ?

So then I can use the fact that ΔU= Uf-Ui= ½kxf^2-½kxi^2. Where f is final and i is initial?
If this is correct, then xi=0 and that term drops out. Then I would be left with ½kxf^2 = -k1½x0^2+k2⅓x0^3
 
AsadaShino92 said:
U=½kx^2
No. As BvU was hinting, that equation is only valid if F(x)=-kx.
AsadaShino92 said:
So then I can use the fact that ΔU= Uf-Ui= ½kxf^2-½kxi^2.
No, for the reason given above.
AsadaShino92 said:
ΔU=-k1½x0^2+k2⅓x0^3

Is this the right way in finding the potential energy?
Yes, except that you have a Δ on the left, implying a difference between two different states. On the right, you have assumed that one of those states is x=0. Try to write it consistently.
 

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