Poynting vector -- Calculate the EM power transmitted down a coax cable

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electromagnetic power transmitted down a coaxial cable, specifically through the application of the Poynting vector. Participants are examining the derivation of charge distribution and current along the cable, questioning the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the meaning of charge distribution on the inner wire and its implications for current. There are questions about the validity of the expressions used for charge and current, as well as the relationship between them. Some participants express uncertainty about the signs of the derived quantities and their physical interpretations.

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Homework Statement
Poynting vector
Relevant Equations
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I don't know which part gets wrong
 
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Hi. How much W does your result show ?
 
mitochan said:
Hi. How much W does your result show ?
I got 3.3uW which is same as the given answer but the derivation isn't correct tho
 
Hum.. I am so optimistic to say if you get the right value, the way of your derivation is right too.
 
@denniszhao, Welcome to PF! We ask that you try to type in your equations rather than post a picture of hand-written work. This allows the homework helpers to easily quote individual parts of your post.
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I'm not clear on the meaning of the statement:

"The distribution of charge on the inner wire is given by ##q(z,t) = Q_0\cos \left( \omega( \frac{z}{c}-t) \right)##"

Does ##q(z, t)## represent the amount of charge on the wire at position ##z## at time ##t##? That doesn't make sense to me. How can there be a finite amount of charge located at one value of ##z##?

But, suppose we go ahead and assume that the charge per unit length ##\lambda(z,t)## on the wire is given by

##\lambda(z,t) =\frac{\partial q}{\partial z} = -\frac{\omega}{c} Q_0 \sin \left( \omega( \frac{z}{c}-t) \right)##

The current ##I(z,t)## is not given by ##\large \frac{\partial q(z,t)}{\partial t}##. Rather, see if you can show that

##\large \frac {\partial I}{\partial z} = -\frac{\partial \lambda}{\partial t}##.

You can then use this relation to derive the expression for ##I(z, t)##.

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Note that your result for ##I(z,t)## has the opposite sign of ##\lambda(z, t)##. The directions of E and B will then be such that the Poynting vector propagates energy in the negative-z direction. But I think you should find that the energy propagates in the positive-z direction.
 

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