Pressure and Net Force Question

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The discussion revolves around calculating the net force on a porthole of a bathyscaph at ocean depths. The first part of the problem, which involves calculating absolute pressure at a depth of 7.72 miles, has been correctly answered. For the second part, the correct approach involves using the formula F = PA - Pinitial(A), where PA is the atmospheric pressure and Pinitial is the pressure at depth. It's crucial to convert the porthole diameter to meters to find the area for the calculations. The resulting net force is negative, indicating an outward force due to higher internal pressure compared to external pressure.
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I'm working on my homework, and I have finished all the problems save for one. I think I am on the right track, but I'm lacking just a few bits of info. Here is the question (it has 2 parts, I have answered the first part correctly, but cannot get the second part correct).

Part 1

Engineers have developed a bathyscaph that can reach ocean depths of 7.72 mi. The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s^2. If the density of seawater is about 1030 kg/m^3, what is the absolute pressure at that depth in Pa?

Answer - P = Pinitial + pgh = 1.25484 x 10 ^8

Part 2 (here is where I need help)

If the inside of the vessel is maintained at atmospheric pressure, 101300 Pa, what is the net force on a porthold of diameter 20.9 cm? Answer in units of N.

Well I know that F = PA, so I set up the equation:

PA - Pinitial(A) = density(g)(h)(A)

However, this doesn't solve for net force. I'm not sure if this is the actual equation I need, or if I can use it to find the net force. I was under the impression that PA - Pinitial(A) would equal the net force but it does not. I assume that I need the 20.9 cm in there somewhere. Any help is appreciated.
 
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It seems like you are on the right track for part 2, but there are a few things to consider. First, make sure you convert all the units to be consistent. In part 1, you used meters for depth, so make sure to use meters for the diameter as well. Also, the pressure at the porthole will be the same as the atmospheric pressure, so you can set PA equal to 101300 Pa.

Now, for the equation, you are correct that F = PA - Pinitial(A) is the correct formula. However, you need to consider the area of the porthole as well. Since the pressure is acting over the entire area of the porthole, you need to multiply the pressure by the area. The equation would then be:

F = PA - Pinitial(A) = (101300 Pa)(0.209 m^2) - (1.25484 x 10^8 Pa)(0.209 m^2) = -1.25483 x 10^7 N

Note that the net force is negative because the pressure inside the vessel is higher than the pressure outside, creating a force pushing outwards. This is known as the "net outward force" and is a common concept in pressure calculations.

I hope this helps to clarify the equation and how to incorporate the diameter to find the net force on the porthole. Good luck with the rest of your homework!
 
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