Probability: Infinite marbles placed in, and selected from an urn

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the probability of marble 1 remaining in an infinite urn after a series of removals based on proportional probabilities. Initially, marbles 1 and 2 are placed in the urn, with removal probabilities of 1/3 and 2/3, respectively. As more marbles are added, the probabilities of removal change, leading to a calculated survival probability for marble 1 of 2/3 for the first round and 7/8 for the second round. The participants conclude that the infinite product of these probabilities must be shown to be positive to establish that marble 1 can remain in the urn indefinitely.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of probability theory, specifically conditional probabilities.
  • Familiarity with infinite series and products in mathematics.
  • Knowledge of basic combinatorial principles related to selection and removal.
  • Ability to work with mathematical notation, including the use of fractions and products.
NEXT STEPS
  • Explore the concept of conditional probability in depth.
  • Study infinite products and their convergence properties.
  • Investigate the implications of countably infinite sets in probability theory.
  • Learn about the law of large numbers and its relation to infinite processes.
USEFUL FOR

Mathematicians, statisticians, and students studying probability theory, particularly those interested in infinite processes and their implications in theoretical contexts.

IniquiTrance
Messages
185
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



I have a countably infinite set of marbles numbered; 1, 2, 3,..., n.

I also have an urn that can hold an infinite amount of marbles.

I then place marbles 1 and 2 into the urn, and remove one of them with the following probabilities:

The probability of removing a marble is proportional to its number.

So, the probability that I remove marble 1 is \stackrel{1}{3}, and that I remove marble 2 is \stackrel{2}{3}.

Once a marble is removed, I then place marbles 3 and 4 into the urn. I

Now if marble 2 was removed earlier, then marbles 1,3,4 are in the urn. The probability of removing any of them are now respectively, \stackrel{1}{8}, \stackrel{3}{8}, and \stackrel{4}{8}

I keep adding and removing marbles as above, in order of their number.

I am asked to show, that there is a positive probability that marble 1 remains in the urn forever.

Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution



Not quite sure how to pin this down. Any help is much appreciated!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Ok, so the probability marble 1 survives the first pick is 2/3. The probability that it survives the second is 7/8. At this point you have a choice which one to pick which is not 1. Pick the one which has the least probability to be picked which is not 1. That would be a lower bound for the probability that 1 will never be picked, right? I haven't tried to show the resulting infinite product is positive. Can you? That should get you started.
 
Thanks for the lead!

Ok, I'm trying to trace it out now...

Wouldn't the 2nd round have to be conditioned on the 1st round, so P(surviving 2nd round) would be:

\stackrel{2}{3}*\stackrel{7}{8}, no?

edit: n.m., I see your point, going to set it up as:

\prod_{n}^{}\mathbb{P}\left\{A_{n}|A_{n-1}\right\}
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
Replies
8
Views
8K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
3K
Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
3K