Problem with Approximations Using Differentials

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving approximations using differentials in the context of partial differentiation. The original poster is attempting to calculate the largest possible error in the component of a force measured with a specified error and angle deviation.

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  • Participants explore the use of differentials to approximate errors in the component of a force. The original poster presents their calculations and expresses confusion over discrepancies in their results. Others suggest checking the treatment of angles and derivatives, and question the correctness of the trigonometric functions used.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and suggesting corrections. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical approach, with some participants indicating potential errors in the original setup and calculations.

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I am working on this problem and having difficulty getting the required answer. It is the exact problem as here , but I’m still not getting it.

BTW this is problem 10, Section 4, Chapter 4 Partial Differentiation from M. Boas’s book Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences, 3rd edition.

A force 500 nt is measured with a possible error of 1 nt. Its component in a direction 60° away from its line of action is required, where the angle is subject to an error of 0.5°. What is (approximately) the largest possible error in the component?

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We are going to use differentials here.

##Component = F_1*sin(\theta)##

##\frac{d Component}{Component} = \frac {d F_1}{F_1} + \frac {d sin(\theta)}{sin(\theta)} d \theta##

##\frac{d Component}{Component} = \frac {d F_1}{F_1} + \frac {cos(\theta)}{sin(\theta)} d \theta##

##Largest \left|\frac{d Component}{Component}\right| = \left|\frac {d F_1}{F_1}\right| + \left|\frac {cos(\theta)}{sin(\theta)} d \theta\right| = \frac{1}{500}+\frac{cos(\frac{\pi}{3})}{sin(\frac{\pi}{3})} * \frac{0.5}{60} = .002 + cot(\frac{\pi}{3}) * \frac{0.5}{60} = .002 + 0.00481 = 0.00681##

So the ##Component = 500 sin(\frac{\pi}{3}) = 433##

##Component Error = 433*0.00681 = 2.95## … which is not the correct answer of 4.28 nt

So if someone can direct me to my error I'd certainly appreciate it! Thank you!
 
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You have used ##d\theta/\theta## instead of ##d\theta## in your computation. Note that you also need to put it in radians based on how you treated the derivative.
 
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Thank you Orodruin! Let me put your ideas in motion!

##Largest \left|\frac{d Component}{Component}\right| = \left|\frac {d F_1}{F_1}\right| + \left|\frac {cos(\theta)}{sin(\theta)} d \theta\right| = \frac{1}{500}+\frac{cos(\frac{\pi}{3})}{sin(\frac{\pi}{3})} * \frac{0.5\pi}{180} = .002 + cot(\frac{\pi}{3}) * \frac{0.5\pi}{180} = .002 + 0.00504 = 0.00704##

So the ##Component = 500 sin(\frac{\pi}{3}) = 433##

##Component Error = 433*0.00704 = 3.05## … which is still not the correct answer of 4.28 nt

So I suspect there's something seriously wrong with my approach ... my equation ... any further ideas that could lead me to a correct solution please? :-) Thank you!
 
What is the component of a force in a direction to which it makes an angle ##\theta##?
 
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Yes, thank you so much! I looked at my original diagram and realized that I had the trig wrong! Shame on me! I was mislead a bit by the ref thread. I should have trusted my original diagram and not listened to the banter on that thread.
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To correct this:
##Largest \left|\frac{d Component}{Component}\right| = \left|\frac {d F_1}{F_1}\right| + \left|\frac {sin(\theta)}{cos(\theta)} d \theta\right| = \frac{1}{500}+\frac{sin(\frac{\pi}{3})}{cos(\frac{\pi}{3})} * \frac{0.5\pi}{180} = .002 + tan(\frac{\pi}{3}) * \frac{0.5\pi}{180} = .002 + 0.0151 = 0.0171##

So the ##Component = 500 nt\hspace{.1cm} cos(\frac{\pi}{3}) = 250 nt##

##Component Error = 250 nt*0.0171 = 4.28 nt## … which is the correct answer.##\hspace{1cm}\square##
 

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