Problem with signs in the Lorentz Transformation equations

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The discussion centers on the correctness of solutions to a homework exercise involving Galilean transformations. The initial answers for parts (a) and (b) are confirmed to match the textbook, while discrepancies arise in parts (c) and (d), where the participant's answers differ from the textbook's. The conversation then shifts to proving that Galilean transformations form an Abelian group, with detailed reasoning provided about the properties of group operations, including closure, associativity, identity, and inverses. The final consensus suggests that the participant's proof of the group properties is valid, reinforcing the understanding of the mathematical framework of Galilean transformations.
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Homework Statement



The following is Exercise 2.1 from from Ray d'Inverno's 'Introducing Einstein's Relativity.'

(a) Write down the Galilean transformation from observer ##S## to observer ##S'##, where ##S'## has velocity ##v_1## relative to ##S##.
(b) Find the transformation from ##S'## to ##S## and state in simple terms how the transformations are related.
(c) Write down the Galilean transformation from ##S'## to ##S''##, where ##S''## has velocity ##v_2## relative to ##S'##.
(d) Find the transformation from ##S## to ##S''##.
(e) Prove that the Gailiean transformations form an Abelian (commutative) group.

2. Homework Equations

3. The Attempt at a Solution


(a) My answer is $$x' = x - v_1 t,\ y'=y,\ z'=z,\ t'=t,$$ which matches with the textbook answer. So, no problem here.
(b) My answer is $$x = x' + v_1 t,\ y=y',\ z=z',\ t=t',$$ which again matches with the textbook answer. So, no problem here.
(c) My answer is $$x''=x'- v_2 t,\ y''=y',\ z''=z',\ t''=t',$$ but the textbook answer is $$x''=x'+ v_2 t,\ y''=y',\ z''=z',\ t''=t'.$$
(d) My answer is $$x''=x- ( v_ 1 + v_2 ) t,\ y''=y,\ z''=z,\ t''=t,$$ but the textbook answer is $$x''=x+ ( v_ 1 + v_2 ) t,\ y''=y,\ z''=z,\ t''=t.$$

Can someone please tell me if my answers are wrong, or if the textbook answers are wrong?
 
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They way you put it the book is wrong and you are right.

It's a small miracle that you agree in a) and b) :wink: since both you and the book assume ##v_1## is along the x-axis of ##S## and ##S'##, and that both clocks and coordinate systems coincide at t = 0.
 
Alright, then, here's my attempt to part (e) of the question.The group elements of the Galilean transformations are the velocities ##v## of ##S'## relative to ##S##.

Consider the boost from ##S## to ##S'##, and then the boost from ##S'## to ##S''##, so that ##x''=x- ( v_ 1 + v_2 ) t,## so that ##v = v_1 + v_2##. So, the group of Galilean transformations is closed.

Consider the boost from ##S## to ##S''##, and then the boost from ##S''## to ##S'''##, so that ##x''' = x'' - v_3 t = x - (v_1 + v_2 + v_3) t##. Also, consider the boost from ##S## to ##S'##, and then the boost from ##S'## to ##S'''##, so that ##x''' = x' - (v_2 + v_3) t = x - (v_1 + v_2 + v_3) t##. So, the group multiplication operation is associative.

##v = 0## is the identity element, because it transforms ##(x, y, z, t)## into ##(x, y, z, t)##.

##-v## is the inverse of ##v##, because the consecutive application of ##v## and ##-v## transforms ##(x, y, z, t)## into ##(x, y, z, t)##.

The above four properties prove that the Galilean transformations form a group.

Furthermore, consider a boost by velocity ##v_1##, and then a boost by velocity ##v_2##, so that ##x''' = x'' - v_2 t = (x' - v_1 t) - v_2 t = x' - (v_1 + v_2) t##. Also, consider a boost by velocity ##v_2##, and then a boost by velocity ##v_1##, so that ##x''' = x'' - v_1 t = (x' - v_2 t) - v_1 t = x' - (v_1 + v_2) t##. So, the group of Galilean transformations is Abelian (commutative).Do you think my proof is correct?
 
Does it help if I say yes ? You really want to convince yourself, and it shouldn't make a difference if I say "well, it looks good to me !" (which I am perfectly happy to do, even if it probably is against PF rules ("we look at them more as guidelines :wink: ")
 
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