Deriving Lorentz Transformations for Moving Reference Frames

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The discussion revolves around deriving the Lorentz transformations for multiple moving reference frames in the context of special relativity. The original poster presents a problem involving three frames of reference, Σ, Σ', and Σ'', with specified velocities and asks for guidance on how to approach the derivation of the transformations and the relative velocity between the frames.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationships between the different reference frames and suggest writing out the transformations to establish connections between the coordinates. There is an emphasis on algebraic manipulation and interpretation of the problem statement.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem by suggesting that the transformations should be derived step by step. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's attempts and a request for feedback on their calculations. Multiple interpretations of the problem's requirements are being explored.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses uncertainty about the problem and seeks hints rather than complete solutions. There is a focus on deriving the transformations rather than applying non-relativistic calculations, which may indicate a need for clarity on the assumptions involved.

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Homework Statement
Consider three frames Σ (x, y, z, t), Σ' (x', y', z', t'), and Σ'' (x'', y'', z'', t'') whose x, y, and z axes are parallel at each point in time stay. Σ' moves relative to Σ with velocity v1 along the x-axis. The system Σ'' moves relative to Σ' with the velocity v2 along the x'-axis. Determine the Lorentz transformation and the relative velocity between the reference systems Σ and Σ''. Compare this speed with the value that would follow from the non-relativistic calculation.
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Problem Statement: Consider three frames Σ (x, y, z, t), Σ' (x', y', z', t'), and Σ'' (x'', y'', z'', t'') whose x, y, and z axes are parallel at each point in time stay. Σ' moves relative to Σ with velocity v1 along the x-axis. The system Σ'' moves relative to Σ' with the velocity v2 along the x'-axis. Determine the Lorentz transformation and the relative velocity between the reference systems Σ and Σ''. Compare this speed with the value that would follow from the non-relativistic calculation.
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Hello PhysicsForum,

until now i had not had any idea how to solve this problem.
Maybe someone can give me a hint or an approach how to get a solution. :)
 
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If you write out the transformation between the primed and double-primed systems, you will have a relation between the primed and double-primed coordinates. Similarly, for the transformation between the unprimed and primed systems. The rest should just be algebra.
 
I have tried to calculate it now...
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This is my result. Could someone take a look and tell me if it is right please? :smile:
 
I think your calculation is OK. But, from the way that I interpret the problem statement, I think that they want you to derive the transformation between Σ and Σ'' starting with the transformation between Σ and Σ' and the transformation between Σ' and Σ''. This will lead to an expression for the velocity of Σ'' relative to Σ in terms of v1 and v2 given in the problem. The algebraic manipulations will be very similar to what you have done.
 

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