Projectile motion absolutely puzzled

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The discussion revolves around solving for the initial velocity and angle of projection of a projectile launched from a height of 1.06m, reaching a maximum height of 2.12m, and traveling 1m horizontally at its peak. The original poster attempts to derive equations based on vertical and horizontal motion but struggles with simultaneous equations. A participant suggests focusing on the correct use of given values and simplifying the equations to find time and relationships between variables. Ultimately, the poster realizes that they were overcomplicating the problem and that a more straightforward approach using trigonometric identities and relationships would yield the solution. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly applying physics equations and simplifying calculations in projectile motion problems.
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I am trying to calculate the initial velocity, u and angle of projection(theta) of a projectile. The projectile is fired from 1.06m above the ground and from this point reaches a maximum of 2.12m from the ground. The distance traveled in the x-direction when the projectile reaches its maximum height is 1m.
This is all the information given in the question.

I am taking my x-axis to be the horizontal direction and the y-axis the vertical direction, calling the point where the projectile is fired from the origin.

I have tried to get a solution in the following way:
Motion in y-direction:
a=dv/dt
a dt = dv
integrating both sides gives:
a.t = 0 - uSin(theta) (where u is initial velocity and v is final velocity)
dividing by a gives an expression for the time taken to reach maximum height.

Motion in the x-direction:
S=ut +0.5at^2
however a = 0
so; 1=uCos(theta).t

Substituting in t from earlier gives:
9.81=(u^2) Cos(theta)Sin(theta) from which i get u^2=9.81/sin(theta)cos(theta)

In the y direction again:
v^2 -u^2 = 2as
20.8=9.81/sin(theta)cos(theta)
9.81/20.8=sin(theta)cos(theta)
2(0.47)=2sin(theta)cos(theta) using the trig ID sin(2A)=SinACosA
sin(2theta)=0.94
and theta =35degrees;

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated
Thanks!


However this is not the answer given with the problem
 
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Hello rob,If I'm following you correctly you seem to have three unknowns(u,t and theta) but two equations.

For motion in the y direction and to reach the greatest height you have three givens

Final velocity at top(v)=0
distance(s)=1.06(you didnt seem to use s in your attempt)
acceleration(a)=g
With this you could use a suitable equation of motion eg
v squared = u squared -2gs
 
ok I see what you're saying, I've had another go and I've got 3 equations and 3 unknowns but I can't seem to solve them simultaneously.
My 3 equations are:
2=U.t.Cos(theta)
1.06=U.t.Sin(theta)-4.905t^2
0=USin(theta)-9.81t

Ive tried to rearrange each equation and substitute them into each other but it gets really complicated and I don't seem to get the right answer. I thought of using a matrix and gauss' elimination to do it but am unsure how to build up an augmented matrix as the variables will not separate.
Any advice?
 
Hello rob.Oh the deep joy of getting bogged down in simultaneous equations.
From your equation three... usin(theta)= 9.81t
subbing into equation two we get:
1.06=9.81t^2-4.905t^2=4.905t^2.From this t can be found
Look again at your equation one above.When the projectile reaches its greatest height the horizontal distance traveled is one metre not two.

usin(theta)=9.81t...(a) and
ucos(theta)=1/t...(b)
sin(theta)/cos(theta)=tan(theta) so if (a) is divided by(b) the u cancels and we have an expression for tan(theta) that can be subbed back to find u.
 
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Got it! I was overcomplicating it by obtaining an expression for t instead of usin(theta)!
Thanks for your help!
 
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