Projectile with air resistance

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The discussion revolves around a particle projected vertically upwards with an initial speed U, experiencing air resistance modeled as a retarding force proportional to the square of its speed. Participants are exploring how to determine the greatest height reached by the particle and the speed W upon its return to the original projection point.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to derive the greatest height using equations of motion and are questioning the validity of using kinematic equations under non-constant acceleration due to air resistance. There is also discussion about the integration needed to find the velocity and position functions.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with various participants providing insights and corrections regarding the methods used. Some have suggested re-evaluating assumptions and integrating the acceleration equation, while others express confusion about the integration process and the implications of using certain equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants have noted the complexity introduced by the air resistance term and the need for integration techniques. There is a mix of familiarity with differential equations among the participants, which may affect the direction of the discussion.

  • #31
Jess1986 said:
oh i see now. my differential equation skills are not too great. So i now integrate both sides?

Sorry, I had left a factor of "m" on the left side which should not have been there.

You can't integrate since v(t) is an unknown function. The fact that it is squared makes this a nonlinear equation which is tough. I am trying to guess the solution but I don't see it right away, sorry. :frown:
(maybe Maple could give you the answer).
 
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  • #32
thanks, you have still helped me get on the right track. once i find v do you know where i should go from there?
 
  • #33
Jess1986 said:
thanks, you have still helped me get on the right track. once i find v do you know where i should go from there?

In principle, here is what you have to do:

Sokve for v(t) with the initial condition v(0) = U.

set v(t)= 0 to find the time to get to the highest point.

Integrate v(t) to find y(t) (with the initial condition y(0)= 0). Plug in the time from the first part to find the max height reached.

Now start again, but now solving dv/dt = +g - k v^2 with the initial condition v(o) = 0.

Integrate v(t) to find y(t) with the initial condition being the max height.

Find the time at which y is zero again.

Plug back that time in the formula for v(t) on the way down.

It's that easy :biggrin:
 
  • #34
thanks very much for all your help. il give solving the equation in maple a go tomorrow and see how it goes!
 

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