Proof: Determinant of 3 Non-Colinear Points is 0

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The discussion centers around the proof related to the determinant of a matrix formed by three non-colinear points in three-dimensional space. Participants explore the implications of these points defining a plane and the conditions under which the determinant becomes zero. The conversation includes aspects of linear dependence, the setup of the determinant, and the nature of solutions to the associated equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses an understanding of the intuition behind the determinant being zero for three non-colinear points but struggles to prove it, suggesting that adding a fourth point makes the system dependent.
  • Another participant explains that the determinant can be expanded to show that it represents the equation of a plane, noting that substituting any of the three points results in a determinant of zero.
  • A question is raised about how to demonstrate that the vector of coefficients is a non-trivial solution, linking this to the concept of linear dependence in the context of the determinant.
  • Discussion includes the idea that the coefficients of the plane's equation form a normal vector, which is derived from the linear independence of vectors connecting the three points.
  • One participant contemplates the uniqueness of the solution for the coefficients of the plane equation, suggesting that only the trivial solution exists due to the independence of the points.
  • Another participant clarifies that the coefficients are constant and emphasizes that the focus is on the non-zero nature of the vector formed by the coefficients.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the solutions to the equations derived from the determinant. While some agree on the conditions leading to a zero determinant, there is no consensus on the uniqueness of the solution for the coefficients of the plane equation.

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There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions about the independence of the points and the implications for the determinant, as well as the nature of the solutions to the associated linear system.

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I understand the intuition behind it, but I'm unable to prove it. Essentially, three non-colinear points define a plane, and so by adding one more point on the plane, it becomes dependent. This means that the determinant is 0, since there is probably a dependent row lying around. Also, how is that determinant even set up in the first place?

Any ideas?
 

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Hi Rido12,

Here are some things to keep in mind. Let $x,y,z$ range over $\Bbb R$, so we may consider the determinantal condition as an equation in $\Bbb R^3$. By expansion of the determinant along the first row, you can see that it gives the equation of a plane. Note that if you substitute any of the points $(x_i,y_i,z_i)$ for $(x,y,z)$, the determinant is zero. Therefore, all three points lie in the plane. On the other hand, let $Ax + By + Cz + D = 0$ be the equation of plane containing the points $(x_i,y_i,z_i)$. If $(x_0,y_0,z_0)$ lies on this plane, then $\mathbf{X}\mathbf{v} = \mathbf{0}$, where $\mathbf{X}$ is the matrix

$$\begin{bmatrix}x_0&y_0&z_0&1\\
x_1&y_1&z_1&1\\
x_2&y_2&z_2&1\\
x_3&y_3&z_3&1\\
\end{bmatrix}$$

and $\mathbf{v}$ is the matrix

$$\begin{bmatrix}A\\B\\C\\D\end{bmatrix}$$

Since $\mathbf{v} \neq \mathbf{0}$, it is a nontrivial solution of the homogenous system $\mathbf{X}\mathbf{u} = \mathbf{0}$, and hence $\operatorname{det}(X) = 0$.
 
Hi Euge!

That all makes sense, but how can we show that $\mathbf{v}$ is a non-trivial solution? I guess that would be equivalent to showing it is not invertible, or has dependent rows/columns?
 
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Consider that the coefficients $A, B, C$ form a vector normal to the plane. The unit normal to the plane exists because the vector from $(x_1, y_1, z_1)$ to $(x_2, y_2, z_2)$ is linearly independent from the vector from $(x_1, y_1, z_1)$ to $(x_3, y_3, z_3)$.
 
That makes sense, but I'm thinking I'm not grasping some other aspects related to this question. Suppose we only had three points and wanted to determine the coefficients of the plane Ax+By+Cx+D=0 that passed through those three points. That is equivalent to solving $Xv=0$, where $X$ is:

$\begin{bmatrix}
x_1&y_1&z_1&1\\
x_2&y_2&z_2&1\\
x_3&y_3&z_3&1\\
\end{bmatrix}$

and $v$:

$\begin{bmatrix}A\\B\\C\\D\end{bmatrix}$

But seeing as the system is independent, then only the trivial solution exists ($A=B=C=D=0$). Shouldn't there also be a unique solution (i.e $A=4,B=-1,C=5,D=-4 \implies 4x-1y+5z=4$ whereby $(x_i,y_i,z_i)$ are satisfied for all three points?)
 
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The coefficients $ A, B, C, D $ were constant from the start. The goal is not to find the formula for the coefficients. The point is $(A, B, C)$ is nonzero, and therefore $(A, B, C, D)$ is nonzero.
 

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