Proof of Independence of U from V & P with Respect to T

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The discussion focuses on proving that the internal energy U of a material, defined by the equation of state p = f(V), is independent of volume V and pressure p at constant temperature T. The key equations involve the relationship TdS = dU + pdV, and the goal is to show that the partial derivatives of U with respect to V and p at constant T are both zero. Participants express uncertainty about how to incorporate temperature into their calculations and suggest using Maxwell relations and the chain rule to explore the relationships between U, V, and p. The conversation highlights the challenge of deriving the independence of U from V and p while maintaining a constant temperature. Ultimately, the problem is framed as a fundamental thermodynamics issue that requires careful manipulation of the relevant equations.
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Homework Statement


Show that the internal energy of a material whose equation of state has the form p = f(V), T is independent of the volume and the pressure. That is

\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}\right)_{T} = 0

\left(\frac{\partial U}{\partial p}\right)_{T} = 0

Homework Equations


TdS = dU + pdV


The Attempt at a Solution


I know the answer intiutively, i just don't know how one would go about showing it.
I assume that U = f(p,v) and then take the partial derivatives, but I do not see where T comes into play
 
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Hmmm, Divide through by dv to get T ds/dv= dU/dv + p I am guessing you need to use a maxwell relation to get ds/dv to dp/dT I don't see how you get the partials to equal 0 though.
 


I am trying to use the fundamental relation: Tds = dU + pdV and equate it with the partial expansion of U = U(V,p), however, I keep getting stuck because I do not know how to get the relationship of the change in U with either a change in V or p for a given temperature.
 


not sure this helps but If U=U(V,p) you can use the chain rule to get to dU= (partial U/ partial V) dU + (partial U/partial p) dp
 
Simple Thermodynamics Problem

Is this a single variable problem?
 
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