Proving a Vector Space Cannot be the Union of Two Proper Subspaces

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The discussion revolves around proving that a vector space cannot be the union of two proper subspaces. Participants are exploring the definitions and implications of proper subspaces within the context of vector spaces.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question the definitions of proper subspaces and the implications of unions versus intersections of subspaces. There is a focus on whether additional restrictions or definitions are necessary for the proof.

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There is an active exploration of definitions and potential misunderstandings regarding the properties of proper subspaces. Some participants have offered insights into the relationship between unions and spans, suggesting that the union of two subspaces may not maintain the properties of a subspace unless one is contained within the other.

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Participants note that the original poster did not include the definition of a proper subspace, leading to confusion about the assumptions necessary for the proof. There are indications that the problem may require clarification on the nature of the subspaces involved.

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Prove that a vector space cannot be the union of two proper
subspaces.

Let V be a vector space over a field F where U and W are proper subspaces.

I am not sure where to start with this proof.
 
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There seems to be something missing in this problem. For example, take the case where U,W are proper subspaces of V, and U \subset W, then U \cap W \equiv W is also a proper subspace of V.

Are you sure there's not some other restrictions regarding the subspaces?
 
Would it matter that it is the union and you have written the intersection?
 
What is the definition of "proper subspace"? You should have included that definition when you posted the problem.
 
Mark44 said:
What is the definition of "proper subspace"? You should have included that definition when you posted the problem.

A proper subspace can't be equal to V.
 
But how is this term defined? What you gave is not the definition.
 
Mark44 said:
But how is this term defined? What you gave is not the definition.

If U is a proper subspace, then the dim U < dim V and U isn't the subspace of just the 0 vector, i.e., not the trivial subspaces.
 
So your definition of "U is a proper subspace of V" does not include requiring that U be a subset of V?
 
Coto said:
There seems to be something missing in this problem. For example, take the case where U,W are proper subspaces of V, and U \subset W, then U \cap W \equiv W is also a proper subspace of V.

Are you sure there's not some other restrictions regarding the subspaces?

Dustinsfl said:
Would it matter that it is the union and you have written the intersection?
That was a typo. Coto meant U \cup W = W.
 
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I think the issue is that the union is not the same as the span. The union of two subspaces will not be a subspace unless one of the subspaces is contained within the other (is a subspace of the subspace) in which case the union is the larger subspace.

So apply that to the question at hand...
 
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jambaugh said:
I think the issue is that the union is not the same as the span. The union of two subspaces will not be a subspace unless one of the subspaces is contained within the other (is a subspace of the subspace) in which case the union is the larger subspace.

So apply that to the question at hand...

Thanks.
 

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