Proving T is a Subspace of M23: Linear Algebra Problem

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The discussion revolves around proving that a specific set T of 2 × 3 matrices is a subspace of the set M23 of all 2 × 3 matrices with real entries. Participants explore the necessary conditions for T to be a subspace, including the presence of the zero matrix, closure under addition, and closure under scalar multiplication.

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  • Participants discuss the requirement for T to contain the zero matrix and explore whether the zero matrix satisfies the conditions a + c = 0 and b + d + f = 0.
  • There is a debate about the correct representation of matrices u and v in T, with some participants suggesting they should be written as 3x2 matrices while others initially misrepresent them as 2x1 matrices.
  • Participants examine the closure of T under addition by adding two matrices from T and checking if the resulting matrix still satisfies the conditions defining T.
  • There is a discussion on scalar multiplication, where participants explore how multiplying elements of T by a scalar affects the conditions for T to remain a subspace.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the steps needed to prove T is a subspace, but there are moments of confusion regarding the representation of matrices and the application of the closure properties. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants clarify their understanding and approach.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the correct notation and steps in proving the properties of T, indicating that there may be missing assumptions or misunderstandings in the mathematical representation.

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Hi there. I started learning about subspaces in linear algebra and I came across a question which I'm unsure how to solve. I understand that there are 'rules' which need to be passed in order for something to be a subspace, but I have no idea how to start with this problem:

Consider the set M23 of all 2 × 3 matrices with real entries under the usual operations of matrix addition and scalar multiplication.
Let
T=([a b c] : a + c= 0 and b + d + f =0)
[d e f]
Prove that T is a subspace of M23
(T is a 2x3 matrix if i made it unclear)
I know that T must contain a zero vector and I know that there must be closer of scalar multiplication and addition.

Can anyone help?
 
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So there are three things that you need to do:

  • T contains the zero matrix. Is this true.
  • T is closed under composition. Thus if

    [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc} a & b & c\\ d & e & f\end{array}\right)~\text{and}~\left(\begin{array}{ccc} a^\prime & b^\prime & c^\prime \\ d^\prime & e^\prime & f^\prime\end{array}\right)[/tex]

    are in T, then

    [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc} a & b & c\\ d & e & f\end{array}\right) + \left(\begin{array}{ccc} a^\prime & b^\prime & c^\prime \\ d^\prime & e^\prime & f^\prime\end{array}\right)[/tex]

    is in T
  • T is closed under scalar multiplication, thus if

    [tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc} a & b & c\\ d & e & f\end{array}\right)[/tex]

    is in T, then for each [itex]\alpha[/itex]

    [tex]\alpha\left(\begin{array}{ccc} a & b & c\\ d & e & f\end{array}\right)[/tex]

Let's start with the first. Why is the zero matrix in T?
 
Well i'd say that it has a zero matrix because a + c = 0 (which can be 0 + 0 = 0) and b + d + f = 0 (i.e 0 + 0 + 0 =0) i.e a and d = 0. Is this correct?
 
Warpenguin said:
Well i'd say that it has a zero matrix because a + c = 0 (which can be 0 + 0 = 0) and b + d + f = 0 (i.e 0 + 0 + 0 =0) i.e a and d = 0. Is this correct?

Yes, that is correct.
Now, why is it closed under addition?
 
I'm not sure if this is the way to do it but I would say
u=[a1]
[d1]
v=[a2]
[d2]

i.e if u and v are vectors in T, then u+v will be a vector in T.

u+v=[a1+a2]
[d1+d2]
a1+a2+d1+d2=0
(a1+a2)+(d1+d2)=0
0 + 0 = 0

I'm not sure if it can be written like that
 
Why do you write u and v like that?? u and v are 3x2 matrices! But you seem to write them as 2x1 matrices...
 
Thats what i meant when i said i wasn't sure lol. So would it be correct if i wrote u and v as 3x2 matrices containing all the elements of T and writing them as a1+a b1 +b2 etc.. what would be the next step? can i still use this after:
a1+a2+d1+d2=0
(a1+a2)+(d1+d2)=0
0 + 0 = 0
or must i use all elements from u+v?
 
Warpenguin said:
Thats what i meant when i said i wasn't sure lol. So would it be correct if i wrote u and v as 3x2 matrices containing all the elements of T and writing them as a1+a b1 +b2 etc.. what would be the next step? can i still use this after:
a1+a2+d1+d2=0
(a1+a2)+(d1+d2)=0
0 + 0 = 0
or must i use all elements from u+v?

You must write u and v as

[tex]u= \left(\begin{array}{ccc} a_1 & b_1 & c_1\\ d_1 & e_1 & f_1\end{array}\right)~ \text{and}~ v=\left(\begin{array}{ccc} a_2 & b_2 & c_2\\ d_2 & e_2 & f_2 \end{array}\right)[/tex]

Now, what is u+v??
 
Yes that's what I meant to say xD

u+v=[a1+a2 b1+b2 c1+c2]
[d1+d2 e1+e2 f1+f2]
 
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Warpenguin said:
Yes that's what I meant to say xD

u+v=[a1+a2 b1+b2 c1+c2]
[d1+d2 e1+e2 f1+f2]

Yes. Now, does

[tex]\left(\begin{array}{ccc} a_1+a_2 & b_1+b_2 & c_1+c_2\\ d_1+d_2 & e_1+e_2 & f_1+f_2\\<br /> \end{array}\right)[/tex]

belong to T? That is, is [itex](a_1+a_2)+(c_1+c_2)=0[/itex] and [itex](b_1+b_2)+(d_1+d_2)+(f_1+f_2)=0[/itex]??
 
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Yes because (a1+a2)=0, (c1+c2)=0, (b1+b2)=0, (d1+d2)=0, (f1+f2)=0
0 + 0 = 0 and 0+0+0=0
 
  • #12
OK, now do the same thing with scalar multiplication.
 
  • #13
Hmm like this?

ka + kc = 0
k(a + c) = 0
k(0) = 0

kb + kd + kf = 0
k(b + d + f) = 0
k(0) = 0
 
  • #14
Warpenguin said:
Hmm like this?

ka + kc = 0
k(a + c) = 0
k(0) = 0

kb + kd + kf = 0
k(b + d + f) = 0
k(0) = 0

That's it!
 
  • #15
Awesome! Thanks so much! I understand this much better than i did several hours ago :D
 

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