Pulley system with spring and car EOM

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equation of motion for a pulley system involving a spring and a car. The setup includes a frictionless surface and a spring that is initially undeformed in static equilibrium.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to sum moments about the center of the pulley and incorporates the spring force into their calculations. They express uncertainty about their derived equation and seek assistance in verifying their approach.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's problem. There is a request for clarification regarding the attached sketch, indicating that visual context may be important for further discussion. The original poster has since provided the sketch, and there is a sense of urgency in seeking help.

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There is an emphasis on the assumptions of a frictionless environment and the initial conditions of the spring. The original poster's derivation appears to be met with some skepticism, as they express that their results may be incorrect.

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Hi all! I am working with a problem that for the life of me am having the hardest time with deriving the equation of motion. I have attached the sketch to give a better representation.

The moment of inertia, J, is at the center of the spring. No friction between car and table and cables do not slip, so no friction there either. The spring is undeformed when the system is in static equilibrium.

This is how far I have gotten so far, but it is wrong:
Summing the moments about the center of the pulley and assuming frictionless surface for the block I get the following expression:
m = mass of block

m*r - F(spring)*R = J*theta-doubledot + m*a(acceleration of block towards x)*r
plugging in F(spring) = k*r*theta and a = r*theta-doubledot I get the following
theta-doubledot + ((k*r*R)/(J+m*r^2))theta - (m*r)/(J+m*r^2)

Can anyone please help me??
 

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tisquared said:
Hi all! I am working with a problem that for the life of me am having the hardest time with deriving the equation of motion. I have attached the sketch to give a better representation.

The moment of inertia, J, is at the center of the spring. No friction between car and table and cables do not slip, so no friction there either. The spring is undeformed when the system is in static equilibrium.

This is how far I have gotten so far, but it is wrong:
Summing the moments about the center of the pulley and assuming frictionless surface for the block I get the following expression:
m = mass of block

m*r - F(spring)*R = J*theta-doubledot + m*a(acceleration of block towards x)*r
plugging in F(spring) = k*r*theta and a = r*theta-doubledot I get the following
theta-doubledot + ((k*r*R)/(J+m*r^2))theta - (m*r)/(J+m*r^2)

Can anyone please help me??

Welcome to the PF!

I don't see the sketch yet -- try again to post it?
 
I am so sorry! Got it attached now
 
Bumping
 
anyone have any input? I really need some help :o(
 

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