Quantum Mechanics - Matrix representations

In summary, the conversation is about finding the operators Jx and Jy using J+ and J- and forming a matrix with the correct entries. The conversation includes suggestions and tips on how to approach the problem and correct errors.
  • #1
57
16
Homework Statement
See pic
Relevant Equations
See pic
1FBB25AF-72CA-4AFE-8E80-1634FE430ABA.jpeg

I have found J^2 and Jz, but I am not sure how to find Jx and Jy.
I’m thinking maybe use J+-=Jx+-iJy ? But I get unclear results.

07FECEF0-D48C-4642-B066-D8B1A231D831.jpeg


Thanks!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Graham87 said:
Homework Statement:: See pic
Relevant Equations:: See pic

View attachment 313615
I have found J^2 and Jz, but I am not sure how to find Jx and Jy.
I’m thinking maybe use J+-=Jx+-iJy ? But I get unclear results.

View attachment 313617

Thanks!
Using ##J_{\pm}## sounds like a good idea. Show us what you get.
 
  • Like
Likes Graham87
  • #3
Graham87 said:
I’m thinking maybe use J+-=Jx+-iJy ? But I get unclear results.
You have to do it the other way around: Express ##J_x## and ##J_y## in terms of ##J_+## and ##J_-##.
 
  • Like
Likes Graham87
  • #4
68534854-CFAB-47FA-91C5-B3670758D0A8.jpeg

I got this, but it gets messy when I try to find J+- with this expression:
00BEB4E3-F3C6-4034-979E-40D7D12B4490.jpeg

I don’t know how to form the matrix, what goes where.
 
  • #5
Matrix elements are found using ##\braket{j',m' | J_x | j, m}##, so you can start by calculating ##J_+ \ket{j,m}## and ##J_- \ket{j,m}## explicitly for the 4 ##\ket{j,m}## states you need to consider here.
 
  • Like
Likes Graham87
  • #6
Something like this?

D8B422B4-599F-4EFE-BF29-43F27E1374BF.jpeg




05C651B6-5D22-4A12-AD53-07208E8C2354.jpeg
 
  • Like
Likes PeroK
  • #7
Good effort, but I don't agree with some of the entries in the ##J_{\pm}## matrices.
 
  • Like
Likes Graham87
  • #8
Here's a tip. A lot of physics textbooks write one formula with various ##\pm## and ##\mp##. I find it easier to keep the formulas separate with either ##+## or ##-##.
 
  • Like
Likes Graham87
  • #9
Graham87 said:
Where in the matrix did you not agree ?
The non-zero entries!
 
  • Like
Likes Graham87
  • #10
PeroK said:
The non-zero entries!
Thanks! Just noticed my error.
cheers!
 

Suggested for: Quantum Mechanics - Matrix representations

Replies
2
Views
356
Replies
1
Views
720
Replies
4
Views
913
Replies
12
Views
945
Replies
6
Views
1K
Replies
22
Views
1K
Replies
3
Views
903
Back
Top