Quantum Physics Science Advanced Project

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The discussion revolves around potential project ideas for a science fair focused on quantum physics and related advanced topics. Participants explore various experimental setups and concepts that could effectively demonstrate quantum phenomena while considering the resources and age of the original poster.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest the double-slit experiment as a classic demonstration of quantum behavior, though its wave-optics nature is noted.
  • Alternatives to the double-slit experiment include using fluorescent light bulbs to show discrete spectra and various other experiments like chaos pendulum, Heron's fountain, and Brownian motion.
  • One participant recounts a previous project involving a cloud chamber and discusses the costs and materials involved.
  • The photoelectric effect is proposed as a viable project idea, with suggestions for using LEDs, a battery, and a multimeter, though its complexity for explanation is acknowledged.
  • Concerns are raised about the difficulty of demonstrating quantum principles unambiguously and affordably, particularly regarding the wave-particle duality of light.
  • Some participants emphasize the need for clear demonstrations that can effectively convey quantum concepts to a general audience, while others question the feasibility of certain setups based on available resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of ideas and suggestions, but there is no consensus on a single project or approach. Multiple competing views on the feasibility and effectiveness of various experiments remain evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations regarding resources, the complexity of quantum concepts, and the need for clear demonstrations that can be understood by a general audience. Some ideas may depend on specific equipment availability and budget constraints.

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This discussion may be useful for students interested in physics projects, educators looking for experimental ideas, and anyone exploring quantum physics concepts at a high school level.

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So, I love physics and math. I have my first Science fair coming up, and I've dreamed about this day since I was five. Putting my knowledge into work that my peers can judge, and maybe spark interest in Physics for someone else. What project could I do that is Quantum Physics or really any non-elementary field of physics. Please keep in mind, I'm only 14 and this is AP. Am I aiming to high. I thought of the Double Split but something a crowd could learn from. ThanksSent from my iPhone using Physics Forums
 
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Welcome to PF;
The classic quantum experiment is 2-slit interference - but that also works by wave-optics.
If you can get hold of florescent light bulbs, you can use interference to show discrete spectra.
The main restriction is what sort of resources you have - quantum experiments can get expensive very fast.
Maybe have a look at: http://www.diyphysics.com/
 
You can do double-slit with water, if you prefer. Then you don't need to muck around with lasers.
Other ideas:
chaos pendulum
Heron's fountain
Cladni plate
bicycle wheel angular momentum thing
Brownian motion with a microscope
Non-Newtonian fluids
motors (homopolar, etc)
van de graff generator
railguns, coilguns
radioactivity and photographic film (do they let kids get their hands on these things nowadays?)
 
Khashishi said:
radioactivity and photographic film (do they let kids get their hands on these things nowadays?)

A couple years ago in eighth grade my science project was 2 things: A iron and magnesium battery, the electrolyte being table salt suspended in water. The second thing I made was a cloud chamber.

(I got the materials for my birthday) I think it cost around $60 US. Of course, you will have to keep on buying dry ice but it is well worth it. I think that the cloud chamber just looks cooler.
 
Photo electric effect can be demonstrated using cheap LEDs, a 6V battery, and a multimeter. I think it takes more understanding to properly explain, but if it is done right, it is pretty cool. I did it outside for some elementary school kids and half of them didn't care at all and the other half were blown away. It isn't as flashy as the double slit or or a chaotic pendulum.
 
None of the ideas in post #6 involve quantum physics much at all.

It is difficult to do an experiment, cheaply, that demonstrates, unambiguously, the main points of QM.

i.e. Youngs interference has a wave-model for it, the cern one is cool - but the light pulse was very short and sharp, so a wave could have delivered the energy to make the plate ring (the ring would probably be different - but how would you show that in the experiment?) OTOH: it should be impressive for people.

The photo-electric effect should be good if you can set it up.
Trying to get the same effect from a wave model is tricky.

You can just charge an electrometer and discharge it by shining light on it - but that's not the quantum part.
You need to be able to show that "light delivers energy in lumps" is the easy way to model this.
But you never know - maybe your school has the equipment?
Maybe you have the money to buy the equipment?

If resources are good, then, there is always setting up an oven and spectrometer for blackbody radiation, Millikan's experiment, and a host of others.

Then again - at your level - maybe just showing the phenomenon and asserting the quantum description will be good enough for the science fair judges?
 
Simon Bridge said:
The photo-electric effect should be good if you can set it up.
Trying to get the same effect from a wave model is tricky.

You can just charge an electrometer and discharge it by shining light on it - but that's not the quantum part.
You need to be able to show that "light delivers energy in lumps" is the easy way to model this.
But you never know - maybe your school has the equipment?
Maybe you have the money to buy the equipment?

If you use LEDs they can be used to absorb light. A blue LED needs a higher energy photon to create a current than a red LED. When you shine a blue LED on a red LED you get a current, but not the other way around. Including multimeter, the set up costs about $20-$40. The downside is that and LED is sort of a "magic box" that might not convince some people.
 
DrewD said:
If you use LEDs they can be used to absorb light. A blue LED needs a higher energy photon to create a current than a red LED. When you shine a blue LED on a red LED you get a current, but not the other way around. Including multimeter, the set up costs about $20-$40. The downside is that and LED is sort of a "magic box" that might not convince some people.

In a wave delivery - the red light should eventually produce a current - when it has delivered enough energy.

The slam-dunk would be to show the absorption spectrum for the LED... requires a tuneable light-source.

The trick is to set up the wave theory predictions to disprove.
The black box effect can be mitigated by also showing the discharging electroscope.
Should be good enough for a science fair. Good call.

Perhaps: show heating metal by electricity to get light (light bulb) point out reverse is possible: discharge electroscope. Explain wave picture predictions. Repeat experiment with LEDs to contradict wave picture predictions. (current in = particular light out)?

I don't see any way to avoid some bold assertions.
But it should be fun.
 

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