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The discussion revolves around Bragg diffraction, specifically addressing the conditions under which diffraction occurs in crystal structures, the distinction between different orders of diffraction, and the existence of certain crystal planes in simple cubic lattices. The scope includes theoretical aspects of crystallography and diffraction phenomena.

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  • One participant questions how to distinguish between second order diffraction of (100) and first order diffraction of (200), noting they occur at the same angle.
  • Another participant suggests that (200) diffraction may actually be the second order of (100), but expresses uncertainty about the existence of the (200) plane in simple cubic structures.
  • A participant explains the Bragg reflections and notes that higher order diffractions appear further out but are generally weaker, discussing the relationship between different families of crystal planes.
  • One participant raises the question of how to determine if a plane exists, asking if it requires a set of atoms on that plane or if diffraction can occur without atoms present, as in the case of (200) in simple cubic lattices.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of stacking unit cells to visualize planes and mentions that higher order planes may not have atoms lying on them, raising further questions about their ability to cause diffraction.
  • There is a reiteration that the interplanar distance for (200) is half that of (100) in reciprocal space, but in configuration space, they are twice as far apart, leading to confusion about the physical presence of the (200) plane.
  • One participant suggests that understanding crystallography and Miller indices may require additional study and references a textbook for further reading.

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Participants express differing views on the existence and significance of the (200) plane in simple cubic lattices, with no consensus reached on whether diffraction can occur without atoms present on that plane. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of higher order diffraction and the physical interpretation of crystal planes.

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Participants mention selection rules and the physical presence of planes, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and interpretations of crystallographic concepts. There are also references to limitations in visualizing the relationships between different planes and their diffraction characteristics.

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For diffraction to occur in crystal, Bragg equation must be satisfied and h,k,l must be of certain combination. I would like to ask

1. How to distinguish a second order diffraction of (100) and first order diffraction of (200)? (they occurs at the same angle.)

2. How can a (200) plane diffraction of simple cubic possible? It seems that there is no atom from this plane because atom only at the four corners of a unit cell.
 
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Some may say that the (200) diffraction is actually the second order (100), but it seems that the (200) plane simply doesn't exist. FCC and BCC also have this problem.
 
The Bragg reflections for first order: λ=2 d sin(Θ);
for higher orders (=n) we have: nλ=2 d sin(Θ).

The diffraction angle increases with the increase in n; thus the (222) reflection appears further out than the (111) reflection - however, in general it will be much weaker.


When you look at the families of possible crystal planes the simple cubic (100) includes every plane parallel to this surface; the (200) includes every other such plane; the (600) includes every 6th plane - these higher orders cover the cases where the intervening planes are "missed" by the incoming radiation; this must be possible for the Bragg equation to work: the model is based on "partially reflecting" surfaces, which are the planes.

In reciprocal space these planes are closer and closer together by the reciprocal ratio: the (200) family is twice as close together as the (100) family.

Kittel's "Introduction to Solid State Physics" goes over most everything you would need to know in an easy to understand fashion.
 
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Thanks. I understand that every higher order (n) diffraction of (hkl) can be represented by (nh nk nl) diffraction. The existence of (nh nk nl) diffraction can also be proved even the limitation of h,k,l combination are considered (e.g. h+k+l must be even for BCC).

What I still wondering is that how can we tell whether a plane exist? Does it necessarily have a set of atoms whose centers lying on that plane (like (100) in simple cubic) or if diffraction can occur then the plane exist even there is no atoms lying on that plane (like (200) in simple cubic)?
 
Do you mean the selection rules, or the physical presence of the plane?

For the (100) plane you can consider just the unit cell; for the (200) plane you simply stack two unit cells, etc.

You won't run out of planes until you run out of atoms in the crystal ... there are usually more than enough, even in tiny crystallites. However, most of the beam energy is diffracted away by the lower order planes, so the higher orders become fainter and fainter - it often requires a time exposure to make them visible.
 
UltrafastPED said:
Do you mean the selection rules, or the physical presence of the plane?

For the (100) plane you can consider just the unit cell; for the (200) plane you simply stack two unit cells, etc.

If we stack two unit cells the interplanar distance is still that of (100) for simple cubic. The (200) plane has half the interplanar distance of (100), but there is no atom lying on (200) because the atoms only locate on the eight corner of unit cell. So I wonder how the (200) plane can cause diffraction.
 
kelvin490 said:
If we stack two unit cells the interplanar distance is still that of (100) for simple cubic. The (200) plane has half the interplanar distance of (100), but there is no atom lying on (200) because the atoms only locate on the eight corner of unit cell. So I wonder how the (200) plane can cause diffraction.

The distance between (200) planes is 1/2 that of the (100) planes only in the reciprocal space; in the configuration space of the crystal they are twice as far apart as the (100) planes.

And they are easy to find because they only require two layers of the crystal.

You would do well to read a textbook like Kittel in order to improve your visualization; it does take a while to get used to crystallography and Miller indices and Bragg diffraction.

Perhaps this: http://www.slideshare.net/joserabelo/x-ray-diffraction-basics
 

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