Question about differential amplifier(isolated input signal)

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The discussion revolves around the use of operational amplifiers (op amps) as differential amplifiers, specifically addressing whether an input signal can be isolated from the power supply of the op amp. Participants explore the implications of using a floating input signal and the conditions under which the differential amplifier can operate effectively.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if an op amp configured as a differential amplifier can accept an input signal that is isolated from its power supply.
  • Another participant states that the input range of the op amp must be considered, noting that it is typically about 1V below either supply voltage, and mentions the existence of rail-to-rail input op amps.
  • A later reply clarifies that the differential amplifier can work with a non-ground referenced (floating) signal, but warns that the circuit does not isolate the signal from the op amp circuitry, which could lead to potential electrical shorts.
  • One participant suggests using an optoisolator or similar device for proper isolation, although they note that this may not be necessary for the voltages discussed.
  • Concerns are raised about the implementation of a differential amplifier using a single op amp, with a suggestion that a better configuration would involve three op amps from the same package.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of signal isolation and the adequacy of the proposed differential amplifier configuration. There is no consensus on the best approach to achieve isolation or the optimal circuit design.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential for electrical shorts if the signal is not properly isolated and the varying interpretations of what constitutes adequate isolation in this context.

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Hi:

when using op amp as differential amplifier,
can it used for input signal isolated from power supply of that op amp?
as this figure:

http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/k9bEue1EtqkWGlH5yTDN3198.jpg

so if the input signal is sinewave 5 Vp.p,
will be the output of this op amp sinewave 5 Vp.p also ??
 
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Yes...with condition.

If you look at the data sheet, given the + and - supply, the input range is usually about 1V below the either supply voltage. Look at the data sheet under "input range". There are so called rail to rail input op amp that can accept input up to the supply voltages. I would put some protection diode at the input of the amp to protect from over voltage.
 
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yungman said:
Yes...with condition.

If you look at the data sheet, given the + and - supply, the input range is usually about 1V below the either supply voltage. Look at the data sheet under "input range". There are so called rail to rail input op amp that can accept input up to the supply voltages..

yes that right,i know that

i not ask about the range of input signal,
i ask if op amp(as differential amplifier) can or can't ,work with input signal isolated from power supply(the signal come from other circuit) ??
 
Yes, that's what I said the first time. As long as you conform to the input range.
 
Yes samaaa, there is no need to shout at someone trying to help.

We can see that you have put significant effort into your work.

And yes the differential configuration will work with a non ground referenced signal ( ie floating) as you have drawn.

However your circuit does not isolate the signal from the op amp circuitry and therefore there is the opportunity for an electrical short to the power supply or other parts of the circuit.

To properly isolate the signal you would need to interpose an optoisolator or other device between the signal source and the differential amp input.

Please note this is unlikely to be necessary at the voltages you have here, I am just being pedantic for you to see correct use of terminology.

Please also note that your implementation of a differential amp using a single op amp is a poor one. A better circuit would use three (from the same package)
 
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thank you (Studiot & yungman) for help
 

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