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Chestermiller said:I think I have another way of explaining it in a way that you can relate to.
Let H(T,p), S(T,p), and G(T,p) represent the absolute enthalpy, absolute entropy, and absolute free energy of a pure species at temperature T and pressure p (assuming that such things can be determined). Let H°(T), S°(T), and G°(T) represent the absolute enthalpy, absolute entropy, and absolute free energy of a pure species at temperature T and pressure 1 atm. Then
h°(298)=H°(298)-∑niH°i(298)
s°(298)=S°(298)-∑niS°i(298)
g°(298)=G°(298)-∑niG°i(298)
where the summation on the RHS is over the stoichiometric number of moles of the elements comprising the species. From this, it follows that, for the elements,
h°(298)=0
s°(298)=0
g°(298)=0
We know that
H°(T)=H°(298)+\int_{298}^T{C_p}dT
S°(T)=H°(298)+\int_{298}^T{\frac{C_p}{T}}dT
G°(T)=H°(298)-TS°(T)
From this, it follows that
h°(T)=h°(298)+\int_{298}^T{C_p}dT
s°(T)=s°(298)+\int_{298}^T{\frac{C_p}{T}}dT
g°(T)=h°(298)-Ts°(T)
Formation Properties:
At 298:
hf°(298)=H°(298)-∑niH°i(298)=h°(298)
sf°(298)=S°(298)-∑niS°i(298)=s°(298)
gf°(298)=G°(298)-∑niG°i(298)=g°(298)
At temperature T:
hf°(T)=H°(T)-∑niH°i(T)=h°(T)-∑nih°i(T)
sf°(T)=S°(T)-∑niS°i(T)=s°(T)-∑nis°i(T)
gf°(T)=G°(T)-∑niG°i(T)=g°(T)-∑nig°i(T)
Hope this helps.
Chet
Specific to the above, what is the difference between H and h; is the latter just a per mole basis of the former? Also, what is the actual meaning behind the word "absolute", since the absolute ho above is equal to 0 at 298K for elements, while I am currently taking absolute to mean the property is taken relative to absolute zero.
I am trying to reorganize my question and hopefully communicate it better but I think a number of my confusions have already been answered. What I am trying understand is the mathematical relationship between: 1) the standard state (298K, 1 atm) properties (enthalpy/entropy/free energy) 2) formation properties, and 3) absolute (relative to absolute zero) properties for an element/compound (assuming this is possible).
If I use the formation reaction H2 + 1/2O2 -> H2O as an example and look at enthalpy only:
At 298K and 1atm, the standard state enthalpies of both elements are 0, but I think their absolute enthalpies are greater than zero. Is there a general relationship between the absolute and standard state enthalpies?
If the reaction takes place at 298K, 1 atm, 241,845kJ/kmol is released and equal to ho(298)=hf(298) and for arbitrary temperature hf(T)= h°H2O(T) - ∑nih°element(T). Is hf reference state dependent (intuitively I think it isn’t)? Another way of asking is, would I get the same hf(298) = -241,845kJ/kmol using absolute enthalpy values (or even that from some arbitrary reference state) instead of standard state enthalpy values?
Thanks very much
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