Question on Biot-Savart Law for Finite Length Filamentary Conductor

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Biot-Savart Law for a finite length filamentary conductor, specifically focusing on the calculation of angles α1 and α2 in the context of determining the magnetic field H. Participants explore the formulation of the law and its implications for calculating magnetic fields in different scenarios.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether α1 should be calculated at the start of the current and α2 at the end, noting a discrepancy between their book and another source.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the term "angles" and emphasizes that the Biot-Savart Law is used to find the magnetic field due to a conductor, suggesting confusion about the context of the question.
  • A participant provides their interpretation of the Biot-Savart Law and its application to finite length conductors, explaining the variables involved, including the angles α1 and α2.
  • One participant raises a concern about the negative sign in the formula, suggesting that interchanging angles should not affect the direction of the magnetic field.
  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their book's approach and plans to consult their teacher for clarification before an upcoming test.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct interpretation of the angles α1 and α2 in the Biot-Savart Law, with no consensus reached on the proper approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the negative sign and the correct application of the law.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different formulations of the Biot-Savart Law and the potential for confusion stemming from variations in textbooks. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on definitions and assumptions related to the angles and their roles in the calculations.

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When finding the angles for the finite length Biot-Savart formula of a filamentary conductor H = I*(cos(α2) - cos(α1))aΦ/(4πρ), is α1 supposed to be calculated at the start of the current, and α2 at the end? I'm just wondering because my book does it this way and vice-versa, so I'm not entirely sure which way is correct.
 
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Hi Bizkit. I'm slightly confused about your question. First, when you described the conductor in question, you wrote the magnetic field (that's what H is supposed to represent, right?). The Biot-Savart Law is an equation for finding the magnetic field due to a conductor. If you already have he magnetic field, then why do you want to use the Biot-Savart Law?

Second, which "angles" are you referring to? The Biot-Savart Law, as it's usually presented in freshman physics books, is:

\vec{B} = \int_C \dfrac{\mu_0}{4\pi}\dfrac{Id\vec{l}\times\hat{\vec{r}}}{r^2}

The Biot-Savart Law contains a line integral, and so it's going to have a number of integration variables equal to the number of dimensions in which the conducting wire exists (e.g. dx[/tex], dy[/tex], dz[/tex]). If you describe the conducting wire with angular variables, like in polar coordinates, then you'll have to integrate between two angles. Are these the angles you're talking about?
 
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Sorry for confusing you, I'll try to explain it better. The book I am using is a junior electromagnetics book. It states that the Biot-Savart Law is:

\vec{H} = \int_{L}\frac{I d\vec{l} \times \hat{a}_R}{4\pi R^{2}}

This equation is for straight conductors. There are two other ones for surfaces and volumes which only differ by the current used (surface or volume current).

The equation I put before ( \vec{H} = \frac{I}{4\pi\rho}(cos(\alpha_2) - cos(\alpha_1))\hat{a}_\phi ) is based off of this equation. It is used to calculate the magnetic field made by a current traveling along a straight conductor of finite length. I is the current, \rho is the perpendicular distance between the line of current and the point of interest, \alpha_1 and \alpha_2 are the angles between the line current and the lines which connect the ends of the conductor to the point of interest, and \hat{a}_\phi = \hat{a}_L \times \hat{a}_\rho, where \hat{a}_L is the unit vector along the line current and \hat{a}_\rho is the unit vector along the perpendicular distance. Hopefully that all makes sense. This http://www.scribd.com/doc/4705015/Ch9Sources-of-Magnetic-Fields" will take you to a document where on the bottom of the third page you will find a picture similar to what I have (the variables are different, but the setup is the same). What I want to know is whether or not \alpha_1 is the angle at the beginning of the current and \alpha_2 is the angle at the end of the current. I'm wondering because my book does it like that, and vice versa, so I'm not entirely sure which way to do it. I need to know soon because my test is later this morning.
 
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Are you sure about the negative sign in between? Interchanging angles shouldn't change the direction of the field it should be symmetric.
 
That's what my book shows. Perhaps the author made a mistake. As for my earlier question; I'll just ask my teacher about it right before the test, which is coming up really soon here. Thanks anyways.
 

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