Questions about dative covalent bond and complexes

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The discussion revolves around the nature of dative covalent bonds and their implications for atomic charges in complexes, particularly in the context of transition metal complexes like [Cu(H2O)6]2+. Participants explore whether an atom necessarily becomes positively charged after forming such bonds and the behavior of charges within complexes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether an atom must become +1 charged after forming a dative covalent bond, using examples from organic chemistry and transition metal complexes.
  • Another participant suggests that losing an electron results in a +1 charge but does not clarify how this applies to the specific case of [Cu(H2O)6]2+.
  • A participant notes that the positive charge in a complex may spread over the entire structure, leading to confusion about the charge on individual atoms.
  • There is uncertainty expressed about when charge distribution occurs and how it relates to specific examples, such as NH3BF3.
  • One participant expresses frustration over the lack of clarity and assistance in understanding the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the behavior of charges in dative covalent bonds and transition metal complexes, indicating multiple competing views and ongoing confusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding charge distribution in complexes and the conditions under which charges may remain localized versus spread out, without resolving these issues.

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does an atom necessarily becomes +1 charged after forming a dative covalent bond with another atom?

just like something I learned in organic chem:
C6H5-H2N:+ H+ ------> C6H5-H2N+→H
the positive charge of H+ is transferred to the N atom as N forms a dative covalent bond with it.

analogically, in a transition metal complex like [Cu(H2O)6]2+, will each H2O molecule becomes +1 charged after forming dative covalent bond with Cu2+ ?

but should that be the case, Cu will then become -4 charged as 6 H2O molecules have formed dative covalent bonds with it...

but that sounds strange ^ ^ @@@@@
 
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well the web says the +ve charge should spread over the whole of the complex, so that means in no way can i know the charge on a specific atom?

also, how can i know when the charge will spread over and when it won't? just like the example quoted from the website, the positive charge will just stay on the N atom in NH3BF3.

hey i really got confused with dative covalent bond now.
 
Astronuc said:
But look at the example of carbon monoxide, CO.

um...actually how can the example of CO help me understand the structure of [Cu(H2O)6]2+ ?
 
seems no one can help...~~
 

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