Rate of change of a right triangle

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The discussion focuses on calculating the speed and acceleration of a boat being pulled towards the shore by a winch, using the relationship between the sides of a right triangle. The hypotenuse is represented as x, with the equation x^2 = d^2 + h^2 guiding the analysis. The user derives the velocity d' using differentiation, establishing that the height h is constant, which simplifies the calculations. They express the acceleration d" in terms of the constant rate of change of the hypotenuse, u. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying calculus to understand motion in this context.
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Imagine a boat on the water being putted
towards the shore by a winch mounted a height
h above the water. The winch reels in cable
(shortening the hypotenuse) at constant rate
u in m/s . When the boat is a distance d from
the shore, find its speed and acceleration.
This is an example of motion at non-uniform
acceleration.

im letting hypotenuse here = x, so x^2 = d^2 + h^2
Im thinking i want to solve for d' to get the velocity at of d at distance d. okay I am going to give it a shot, but bear with me, i have little confidence in this answer and i understand that reading these next steps will probably be a little frightening for those who know how to solve this.
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x^2 = d^2 + h^2

d^2 = x^2 - h^2

2dd' = 2xx' - 2hh'

d' = [2xx' - 2hh']/(2d) <--- this is what i was thinking to explain the speed of d at distance d . my intuition was the to allow x' be u to explain the constant rate of the shortening of the hypotenuse, but I am not sure about it. i want to differentiate again to find d'' to explain acceleration, but i need to establish the correct way to do this first step before moving on.

can anyone give me a pointer or two.
 
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Whether the height h is variable or constant?
 
it is fixed, i believe. this is a copy of the illustration in my book:

http://s861.photobucket.com/albums/ab174/alkaline262/?action=view&current=physicstriangle.jpg
 
vande060 said:
it is fixed, i believe. this is a copy of the illustration in my book:

http://s861.photobucket.com/albums/ab174/alkaline262/?action=view&current=physicstriangle.jpg

In that case the derivative of h is equal to zero. And the equation becomes

2d*d' = 2x*x'

d' = x*x'/d...(1)

d'*d' + d*d" = x'*x'...(2) because x' is constant.

Now proceed.
 
rl.bhat said:
In that case the derivative of h is equal to zero. And the equation becomes

2d*d' = 2x*x'

d' = x*x'/d...(1)

d'*d' + d*d" = x'*x'...(2) because x' is constant.

Now proceed.

okay, i understand how you got 2, you multiplied both sides by d then differentiated right?

okay so now i just simplify..

(x'*x' - d'*d')/d = d"

x' here represent the constant rate, u m/s, that the hypotenuse is shortening.
 
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Yes.
 
rl.bhat said:
Yes.


thank you greatly
 
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