Recharge satellite batteries utilizing a ground-based laser?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the feasibility of recharging satellite batteries using a ground-based laser. Participants explore various aspects of this concept, including technical challenges, efficiency, and comparisons to existing energy sources like solar panels.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while it is theoretically possible to recharge satellites using a ground-based laser, significant power loss due to atmospheric dissipation would likely make it impractical.
  • Concerns are raised about the efficiency of laser beam generation and the challenges of accurately targeting non-geostationary satellites.
  • Others argue that the existing solar radiation available to satellites is a more efficient and cost-effective energy source compared to using lasers.
  • One participant notes that the concept of using lasers is more commonly discussed in the context of powering ground equipment from satellites rather than the reverse.
  • There is mention of the Breakthrough Starshot initiative, with differing opinions on its feasibility and potential challenges, particularly regarding material and communication technology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the feasibility of using ground-based lasers for recharging satellites, with no consensus reached. While some acknowledge the theoretical possibility, many highlight significant practical challenges and inefficiencies. The discussion also touches on the Breakthrough Starshot initiative, with differing opinions on its viability.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to atmospheric conditions, safety concerns, and the efficiency of energy transmission methods. The discussion reflects a variety of assumptions and conditions that influence the feasibility of the proposed laser recharging method.

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Is it feasible to recharge satellite's batteries utilizing a ground-based laser?
 
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Not a bad question.

Most satellites have PV (solar) panels. You could certainly shine some light on them from a ground based laser. However, almost all of the laser's power would be dissipated as heat in the atmosphere. The real question is how powerful would the laser have to be to match the intensity of natural radiation from the sun shining on the panels?

I don't have a specific calculation for that, but I trust that since NASA does not use ground-based lasers to charge batteries, it is not an attractive option. (Danger to airplanes overhead are among the many secondary problems that contribute to attractiveness.)

Did you know that astronauts left a mirror on the moon? Experimenters can aim a laser at it, and detect the reflected beam coming back. That means a two-way trip through our atmosphere. But transmitting signals, and transmitting significant power are very different.
 
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From the point of the internal photoelectric effect, yes it might be possible to transmit energy to the satelitte. But why should one? First of all, I think it's rather tricky to strike the satellite with the laser beam if it isn't geostationary. Next laser beam genration is rather inefficient. Besides that you have much attenuation of the laser power through scattering and absorption especially at rainy weather and of course, as anorlunda already wrote, there are many safty concernes. There it is more efficient to charge the satellite battery by harvesting the sun light.
 
Any satellite around Earth has 1000+W/m2 radiation source at hand for free. It should be some very special circumstances if somebody want to compete in feasibility with 'free'.
 
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Scott Ryals said:
Is it feasible to recharge satellite's batteries utilizing a ground-based laser?
Usually a reverse situation is considered (i.e. recharging a difficult-to-access ground equipment via satellite beam). For example, sensing network over dormant volcano kept powered by microwave beam, allowing operations beyond lifespan of batteries with small maintenance (because power satellite can service entire world, in sequence).
The laser-powered satellite is considered usually only if very high power to weight (~20 kW/kg) is required - the only related talk i can remember was about laser-powered upper stages, to slash the cost of launch. Normal solar panels are good enough up to 5 W/kg satellites.
 
trurle said:
Usually a reverse situation is considered (i.e. recharging a difficult-to-access ground equipment via satellite beam). For example, sensing network over dormant volcano kept powered by microwave beam, allowing operations beyond lifespan of batteries with small maintenance (because power satellite can service entire world, in sequence).
The laser-powered satellite is considered usually only if very high power to weight (~20 kW/kg) is required - the only related talk i can remember was about laser-powered upper stages, to slash the cost of launch. Normal solar panels are good enough up to 5 W/kg satellites.

What are your thoughts regarding the Breakthrough Starshot initiative?
 
Scott Ryals said:
What are your thoughts regarding the Breakthrough Starshot initiative?
It would be interesting from engineering and exploration perspective to try and see how it will fail. My estimation of chances of "breakthrough starshot" reaching another star and communicating back to Earth is 0.00%.

I was engaged few years ago in much less ambitious study of lightsail-craft reaching the orbit of Saturn. The material and communication challenges were enormous, and project was shelved waiting for better technology.
 
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