Recursive Projectile To Explicit Formula

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The discussion revolves around transforming a recursive formula for a projectile's radius into an explicit formula to solve for the unknown variable v. The equation presented is radius[n+1] = radius[n] - (M*v^2 / radius[n]*G*P/radius[n]^2), with the final radius defined as C after x cycles. Attempts to simplify the recursive relationship have led to confusion, particularly with the fractions involved and the impact of changing constants. The user seeks guidance on how to eliminate the radius[n+1] term to derive an explicit solution, noting that previous approaches resulted in complex equations that do not align with expected motion patterns. The conversation highlights the need for clarity in the recursive structure to facilitate solving for v.
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Homework Statement



If a projectile orbits around a planet and lands after x cycles of the equation:
radius[n+1] = radius[n] - (M* v^2 / radius[n]*G*P/radius[n]^2)
at a final radius of C. What is the necessary v?

The only variable that isn't known at the time of solving is v.

Basically I think I need to solve in terms of v but in order to do that I need to make the recursive formula into an explicit one but I can't figure out how.


Homework Equations



radius[n+1] = radius[n] - (M* v^2 / radius[n]*G*P/radius[n]^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried writing down the sequence to find a simpler pattern with no luck. Especially since even that seems to change drastically if I change the constants such as x (the number of cycles). I tried solving it as if it were a normal equation but couldn't figure out how to get rid of the radius[n+1] term to do that and tried setting it to C (the target radius) to radius[n] (so I could ignore it) and to 0 (seemed a better way of ignoring) all with no success seemingly. Setting to radius[n] led to a cubic explicit equation but that doesn't make as much sense as the quadratic equation from setting it to C since we are dealing with motion that is similar to a conic section which is where I derived the original recursive equation from. So how do I start, or how do I make it explicit so I can solve the rest of it.

This isn't a Real homework problem so much as a problem that I desperately need a solution to and couldn't find the right section.

Pointers or solutions are soooo welcome. Thanx :)
 
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TheMaster... said:

Homework Statement



If a projectile orbits around a planet and lands after x cycles of the equation:
radius[n+1] = radius[n] - (M* v^2 / radius[n]*G*P/radius[n]^2)
at a final radius of C. What is the necessary v?
I am a bit confused by the fractions on the right side. Is that
r_n- \frac{Mv^2}{r_n}\frac{GP}{r_n^2}?

Why not just
r_n- \frac{MGP v^2}{r_n^3}?

The only variable that isn't known at the time of solving is v.

Basically I think I need to solve in terms of v but in order to do that I need to make the recursive formula into an explicit one but I can't figure out how.


Homework Equations



radius[n+1] = radius[n] - (M* v^2 / radius[n]*G*P/radius[n]^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried writing down the sequence to find a simpler pattern with no luck. Especially since even that seems to change drastically if I change the constants such as x (the number of cycles). I tried solving it as if it were a normal equation but couldn't figure out how to get rid of the radius[n+1] term to do that and tried setting it to C (the target radius) to radius[n] (so I could ignore it) and to 0 (seemed a better way of ignoring) all with no success seemingly. Setting to radius[n] led to a cubic explicit equation but that doesn't make as much sense as the quadratic equation from setting it to C since we are dealing with motion that is similar to a conic section which is where I derived the original recursive equation from. So how do I start, or how do I make it explicit so I can solve the rest of it.

This isn't a Real homework problem so much as a problem that I desperately need a solution to and couldn't find the right section.

Pointers or solutions are soooo welcome. Thanx :)
 
I'm sorry there should actually be a - inbetween the radius and G not a *. Thanks for taking the time to reply though.

r_n_+_1 = r_n- \frac{Mv^2}{r_n}-\frac{GP}{r_n^2}

(I stole your LaTex by the way:biggrin:)
 
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