Relating pressure and height in a container

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The discussion focuses on deriving the relationship between pressure and height in a liquid-filled container. It begins by establishing the equilibrium condition for a thin layer of liquid, where the net force must equal zero. The upward force is expressed as F_up = pA, while the downward force is F_down = A(p + dp), and the weight of the layer is given by rho*Ag dy. Participants clarify the correct formulation of the force balance equation, emphasizing the importance of including all terms accurately. The conversation highlights the need for careful attention to detail in calculations, particularly regarding the variables involved.
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1. A container of uniform cross-sectional area A is filled with liquid of uniform density rho. Consider a thin horizontal layer of liquid (thickness dy) at a height y as measured from the bottom of the container. Let the pressure exerted upward on the bottom of the layer be p and the pressure exerted downward on the top be p+dp. Assume throughout the problem that the system is in equilibrium (the container has not been recently shaken or moved, etc.).

Since the liquid is in equilibrium, the net force on the thin layer of liquid is zero. Complete the force equation for the sum of the vertical forces acting on the liquid layer described in the problem introduction.




2. 0 = sum of forces in y direction



3. Ok, I know that F_up = pA
F_down = A(p + dp)
weight of the thin layer = pAg dy

So I did:

pA - A(p+dp) - pAgdy = -Ap(d + dyg) = 0

And it's telling me that the answer does not depend on d.
 
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Linus Pauling said:
3. Ok, I know that F_up = pA
F_down = A(p + dp)
OK.
weight of the thin layer = pAg dy
Do you mean: rho*Ag dy ?

When you set up your equation, you won't have a 'd' by itself.
 
Doc Al said:
OK.

Do you mean: rho*Ag dy ?

When you set up your equation, you won't have a 'd' by itself.


My bad, yes it's rho*Ag dy

Thus:

F = F_up - F_down - rho*Agdy
= pA - A(p + dp) - g*rho*A dy
= -dp - g*rho*A dy

which is incorrect
 
Linus Pauling said:
F = F_up - F_down - rho*Agdy
= pA - A(p + dp) - g*rho*A dy
= -dp - g*rho*A dy
Redo the last step--you dropped an A.
 
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