Relationship between an EM wave and its current

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The discussion centers around the relationship between an electromagnetic (EM) wave and its associated current in the context of antenna theory. Participants explore the feasibility of calculating the EM wave voltage near a directional radio wave transmitting antenna and at a distance of 10 meters, considering various types of antennas and their characteristics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating the EM wave voltage (v/m or w/m²) near an antenna and at a distance of 10 meters, asking for the necessary calculations or formulae.
  • Another participant notes that the complexity of calculations depends on the type of antenna, suggesting that different methods exist for near and far field calculations, and that analytical methods are limited to basic antennas.
  • A clarification is sought regarding the term "current in volts," with a suggestion that it may refer to the antenna terminal drive voltage.
  • It is mentioned that very near the antenna, the field strength in V/m may be approximated by the drive voltage divided by the size of the antenna elements, but calculations become more complex at greater distances.
  • A participant suggests starting with an omni-directional antenna for simplicity before progressing to more complex directional antennas.
  • Resources such as antenna design software and introductory materials on dipole radiation are recommended for further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with no consensus on a single method or solution. Multiple competing views on how to calculate the EM wave voltage and the types of antennas to consider remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about antenna types and their characteristics, as well as the dependency on specific definitions of terms used. The complexity of calculations is acknowledged, particularly in relation to different antenna designs and their operational frequencies.

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Given the following:

A directional radio wave transmitting antenna which creates a beam (diameter in mm), a current in volts, and a frequency (Hz), is it possible to calculate the em wave voltage (v/m or w/m2) immediately next to the antenna? and then at a distance of 10meters?

What calculations/formulae will be required? If this is not feasible, is further information needed?
 
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Hi and welcome to PF
Well - you kicked off with a really difficult question there! Depending on the details of the type of antenna, there are a number of different methods for calculating near and far fields. There is no analytical method for anything other than a very basic antenna and every design will have a different approach. The (numerical) technique often involves approximating the problem by breaking the antenna down into a finite network of small elements and calculating how they will interact with each other and then takes the sum of the fields generated in any direction.
Google "finite element antenna analysis" and you will find a lot of hits but I couldn't find any free sources of information.
 
tj50 said:
A directional radio wave transmitting antenna which creates a beam (diameter in mm), a current in volts, and a frequency (Hz), is it possible to calculate the em wave voltage (v/m or w/m2) immediately next to the antenna? and then at a distance of 10meters?

Welcome to the PF.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say with this: "a current in volts" Do you mean an antenna terminal drive voltage in volts? That would make more sense.

Very near the antenna, the field in V/m will be close to the drive voltage divided by the size of the antenna radiating elements. But as sophiecentaur says, as you move away from the antenna, the calculations get a lot more complicated.

Can you say what types of antennas you are interested in? How directional? What frequency band(s)? Why are you wanting to find the radiated field strength?

I believe there is an antenna design software package that is pretty inexpensive for the basic version. Based on your reply, I'll try to see if I can find it... :smile:
 
Here is the link to EZNEC, the package I was thinking of. The basic version is $99 for the download:

https://www.eznec.com/

:smile:
 
To sophiecentaur, yes I'll look to Google the above to help answer this problem.

To berkeman, I'll need a little research time so apologies if there's no quick reply to your questions, & thanks for the EZNEC link, I'll also look into the antenna design program you've suggested.

Thanks both for your welcomes and your replies.
 
Further to the messages above:

To berkeman,
Yes, if by terminal drive voltage you mean the modulated AC current running from the transmitter to the antenna via the primary element.

To sophiecentaur & berkeman,

Its a hypothetical question at the moment concerning all frequencies.

After some research I've decided to begin with the omni-directional antenna (a simple metal conducting rod) for now because as you say its a more basic problem and I can progress to directional antennae later.

Can you provide a method, 'analytical or numerical', or a link for solving the above?

Thanks
 
If you're starting from the beginning, the simplest radiating antenna is the oscillating dipole. A google search for "dipole radiation" should get you started. Introductory treatments deal with the "far field", far enough from the antenna that its size is negligible. For the field close enough to the antenna that its size is significant, try something like "dipole radiation near field".
 
Ok, thanks jtbell
 

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