Relationship between Fourier and Lpalace transforms

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The discussion centers on the relationship between Fourier transforms and Laplace transforms, particularly focusing on the conditions under which the substitution \( s = j\omega \) is valid. Participants explore theoretical aspects, implications for Linear Time-Invariant (LTI) systems, and the significance of poles in the s-plane.

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  • One participant questions the validity of substituting \( s = j\omega \) when all poles have negative real parts, expressing confusion over the reasoning behind this condition.
  • Another participant suggests that while the initial statement may be poorly articulated, the conclusion about the relationship between the Fourier and Laplace transforms makes sense, particularly in the context of LTI systems.
  • A participant explains that the output of an LTI system can be derived from its impulse response and that substituting \( s = j\omega \) leads to the Fourier transform from the Laplace transform.
  • It is noted that the Fourier transform can be viewed as equivalent to the double-sided Laplace transform under the substitution \( s = j\omega \), based on definitions.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the validity of the substitution depends on the region of convergence (ROC) of the Laplace transform, stating that it is only valid for right-sided signals where the ROC includes the imaginary axis.
  • There is a claim that Fourier transforms and Laplace transforms are not equivalent, with the Fourier transform being a special case of the Laplace transform when \( \sigma = 0 \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the substitution \( s = j\omega \) and the equivalence of Fourier and Laplace transforms. Some agree on the general relationship but highlight specific conditions that must be met, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of poles and ROC.

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Participants mention the importance of the region of convergence for the Laplace transform and its relationship to the Fourier transform, but the discussion does not resolve the implications of these conditions or the definitions involved.

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Can someone please explain WHY the statement below is valid:
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s = σ + jω ; left hand side σ < 0
So it basically says if all the poles have negative real parts then we can directly substitute s = jω to get the Fourier transform.

This doesn't make sense to me, does it make sense to you? :rolleyes:
 
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that statement doesn't state it well. but the end result makes sense to me.

here is what you do:

suppose you have a Linear Time-Invariant system (LTI). then the impulse response, h(t) fully defines the input/output characteristic of the LTI. if you know the impulse response, you know how the LTI will respond to any input.

anyway, the double-sided Laplace transform of h(t) is H(s). if you drive the input of that LTI with

x(t) = e^{j \omega t}

then the output of the LTI system is

y(t) = H(j \omega) e^{j \omega t}

same H(s), just substitute s = j \omega.

it's easy to prove, if you can do integrals.
 
oh, and what's easier to prove is that the Fourier transform is the same as the double-sided Laplace transform with the substitution s = j \omega. that's just using the definition.
 
Thanks my friend.

I understand that the Fourier transform is equivalent to the double-sided Laplace transform, but that doesn't explain anything clearly to me regarding the poles that have to be located on the left hand side of the s-plane in order for the substitution s = jω to be valid.
 
A signal has its Fourier transform if and only if its ROC of Laplace transform contains the imaginary axis s=jw.

The statement that you give is valid only for the right-hand sided signals for which the ROC is the right hand side of the poles.

Fourier transform and Laplace transfrom (whether one-sided or two-sided) are not equivalent. Fourier transform can be considered as a special case of Laplace transform, that is, just set \sigma = 0.
 
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