Relationship Graph Between Frequency and Tension

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The discussion centers on the relationship between frequency and tension in a wire, highlighting that frequency (f) is proportional to the square root of tension (T). Participants debate whether the graph of f versus T should pass through the origin, with some arguing that it should not, as a wire can vibrate at a specific frequency without tension. However, the consensus leans towards the idea that the curve does pass through the origin, as tension must be present for the wire to vibrate. The concept of natural frequency is also discussed, with the conclusion that it is undefined when tension is zero. Overall, the relationship between tension and frequency is complex, but the graph's behavior suggests it intersects the origin.
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Homework Statement



After plotting a graph with frequency (f) of a wire on the y-axis and tension (C-Clamps) on the x-axis, a root curve was obtained. If the trend of the line is maintained, does it pass through the origin? Should it?

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Homework Equations



f is proportional to square root of T

The Attempt at a Solution



I said that the curve would not pass through the origin if the line was hypothetically extended, as the wire can still vibrate at a specific frequency without any tension. Therefore, the y-intercept of the curve would represent the natural frequency of the wire.

I still feel like this response is wrong, however, because when I plotted a graph of f^2 vs T, the resulting line passed through the origin. But based on the f vs T graph, it doesn't look like it would pass through the origin. I also do not know for sure if the y-intercept of the curve represents the natural frequency of the wire and if the line should pass through the origin.
 

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If the tension is zero, then where is the restoring force, when you pull on the string?
 
Sorry, my phone went a little haywire multiple posts.
 
scottdave said:
If the tension is zero, then where is the restoring force, when you pull on the string?

Is the restoring force zero since
scottdave said:
Sorry, my phone went a little haywire multiple posts.


Is the restoring force zero, since tension is zero? How would that relate to the curve going through the origin or not?
 
if tension zero, wire cannot vibrate.
I know this experimentally because I can play guitar-like instruments and bowed instruments! :)
natural frequency of a wire is undefined.
 
musician ilhan said:
if tension zero, wire cannot vibrate.
I know this experimentally because I can play guitar-like instruments and bowed instruments! :)
natural frequency of a wire is undefined.

So that means the curve does pass through the origin then?
 
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scottdave said:
If the tension is zero, then where is the restoring force, when you pull on the string?

I'm assuming that it will go through the origin, as the wire cannot vibrate without tension
 
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Stormblessed said:
I'm assuming that it will go through the origin, as the wire cannot vibrate without tension
Yes, you are correct. It is hard to tell if your square root curve will extrapolate and hit the origin.
 

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