Relativistic Energy and Lorentz factor

Join the discussion
Ask a follow-up here, or get your own question answered by working scientists, mathematicians and engineers — people, not an autocomplete.
Real named experts · corrections over time · the nuance an AI answer skips
13 replies · 4K views
Kunhee
Messages
51
Reaction score
2

Homework Statement


[/B]
Two particles of rest mass m0 approach each other with equal and opposite velocity v, in a laboratory frame. What is the total energy of one particle as measured in the rest frame of the other?

But the question gives a clue which reads "if (v/c)^2 = .5, then E = 3m0c^2."

The Attempt at a Solution


[/B]
My current understanding of this question is that the total energy is simply m0c^2 multiplied by the Lorentz factor. Could you explain to me how the clue is relevant?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
When (v/c)^2 = .5 then the equation is just that E = (1.414)(m0c^2). Where did the 3 come from?
 
Kunhee said:
When (v/c)^2 = .5 then the equation is just that E = (1.414)(m0c^2). Where did the 3 come from?
You are asked to find the energy of one of the particles according to a reference frame moving with the other particle. The statement (v/c)^2 = .5 specifies v for each particle in the lab frame. But you need to work in the frame of one of the particles.
 
It's not a hint per se - it's just providing you with a particular test case to enable you to check if your obtained answer is correct.

What would be a hint is: what is the velocity of the other particle as measured in the rest frame of one of the particles?
 
Oh I see.
Could you help me set up the equation in the particle's frame of reference?

Before I can plug into E = y m0 c^2
I need to find the m0 when the Lorentz factor is applied first because we are
observing it from the frame of the particle?
 
Kunhee said:
Before I can plug into E = y m0 c^2
I need to find the m0 when the Lorentz factor is applied first because we are
observing it from the frame of the particle?
##m_0## is unchanged - it is the rest mass of the particle. What is changed is the Lorentz factor - because the particles move with different velocities in different frames.
 
Does that mean I need to first do velocity transformation
u = (u' + v) / (1 + u'v/c^2)

And use the resulting velocity to plug into
E = y m0 c^2 ?
 
Yes, that is correct - but it would be good if you try not to view it as doing some stuff and then plugging into a formula, because that often hinders with the understanding of the concepts.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Kunhee
-
 
Last edited:
Kunhee said:
During the velocity transformation, the u will depend on u' and v.
But we are given (v/c)^2 only.
Perhaps it would help if you show your final expression for the energy. The transformed velocity ##v'## is a function of ##v##, so your final answer will / should be in terms of ##v##, because well, that is your given initial parameter.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Kunhee
u' = [u - (-u)] / [1 - (u)(-u)/c^2] = 2u / [1+(u/c)^2

Plugging the u' into Lorentz factor for the Energy equation:

E = y m0 c^2 = m0 c^2 / [1 - ( [2u / [1+(u/c)^2] / c )^2] ^ -1/2

And with further simplification I get m0 c^2 / (1/3) = 3

Got it. Thanks!