Release or absortion of energy on bonds and phase change

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the energy dynamics involved in the formation and breaking of intermolecular bonds during phase changes, specifically focusing on the energy required to break bonds and the energy released when bonds are formed. Participants explore the concepts of potential energy, kinetic energy, and latent heat in the context of these processes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that energy is needed to break intermolecular bonds, likening it to lifting an object against potential energy.
  • Another participant proposes that the reverse process can be understood by simply reversing the initial process, indicating that both cooling and bond formation contribute to energy release.
  • A participant expresses confusion about why energy is released when intermolecular bonds are formed, questioning whether it is due to the need for molecules to be closer together or the energy release associated with bond formation.
  • It is noted that breaking any bond requires energy, while energy is produced when bonds are created, with a participant emphasizing that these processes are fundamentally similar but occur in opposite directions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding regarding the energy dynamics of bond formation and breaking. While there are some shared views on the necessity of energy for breaking bonds, the specifics of energy release during bond formation remain contested and unclear among participants.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the interactions involved in intermolecular forces and the energy changes associated with phase transitions, indicating that further clarification on electromagnetic forces and potential energy may be needed.

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I believe I can explain why there is energy needed to break intermoleculares bonds and getting into a gas or liquid, but the other way around confuses me. Bonds have potential energy associated to it, so It's needed work to break the bonds, because we would be trying to move a molecule away from a lower potential energy to a higher, like lifting an object. (Is that correct?) Now the other way confuses me, if the molecules get less kinetic energy when heat is transferred to the outside of the system, and than they get closer together so the bonds "stick" or if the bonds being created is what gives heat to the surroundings. If I'm completaly wrong in those explanations please let me know and explain it to me, or refer me to an adequate material.
 
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To be honest I have no idea what the problem is. However, if you have no problems understanding the process when it goes one way, simply reverse everything - and you have the reverse process.

FG_313 said:
if the molecules get less kinetic energy when heat is transferred to the outside of the system, and than they get closer together so the bonds "stick" or if the bonds being created is what gives heat to the surroundings.

Both. Removing kinetic energy is cooling the gas/liquid, energy of bonds is a latent heat.
 
Thank you, but the reason for the question is that I don`t understand why there is a release of energy when intermolecular bonds are made (why we need to cool a liquid for it to solidificate). There is a need for cooling because the molecules have to be closer together and with low energy so that the bonds can be made or there is a need for energy release in the forming of the bonds. If the second or, like you said, both are true, what in the formation of bonds is responsable for the energy release and please describe how that happens. There is work/energy needed to separate two molecules and make them free (gas/liquid), and I attempted to understand it in therms of eletromagnetic forces, but why the forming releases energy is what I don`t understand, in therms of forces, energy and potencial.
 
In general breaking any bond requires energy, and the opposite - energy being produced when the bond is created - is also true. Technically these are identical processes, just running in different directions.

Intermolecular bonds are not much different in this aspect from other bonds, the main difference is their (typically much lower) strength.
 

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