Resolution in scattering experiments

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the energy requirements for scattering experiments involving protons and pions, specifically focusing on the resolution achievable through de Broglie wavelength and the implications of using different target materials. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to particle physics.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the de Broglie wavelength of the bombarding particle determines the best resolution achievable in scattering experiments.
  • Another participant introduces a relation between electron energy and spatial resolution, referencing a specific value of 197 MeV fermi.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the relevance of target material in determining beam energy requirements.
  • There is a discussion about the need to transform to the center-of-mass (CM) reference frame for pion scattering, with references to specific sections in literature for further clarification.
  • One participant calculates the momentum for pions and questions the necessity of the CM frame transformation, indicating that it may affect the energy calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the importance of target material in the energy calculations or the necessity of transforming to the CM frame for pions. Multiple viewpoints regarding the interpretation of scattering resolutions and energy requirements remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between de Broglie wavelength and spatial resolution, as well as the dependence on the reference frame used for calculations. The discussion also highlights the complexity of energy transformations in particle interactions.

evilcman
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Here are two exercises:

1. ) The proton radius is 0.8fm. What energy electron beam do you need for this resolution, if the target is liquid H2?

2.) A pion radius is 0,65fm. What energy pion beam do you need for this resolution by scattering on the electrons of a stationary target(pi-e scattering)? Why is the beam energy so different than in the previous exercise?

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Now, i guess the main point in both cases is that the dr Broglie wavelength of the bombarding particle is the best resolution one can achieve. But, if I just go with de Broglie wavelength = spatial resolution , then I get approx. 1,5GeV and 1,9GeV respectively, which is not that different, so I don't understand the necessity of the last question. Also, I don't think the target material is important. Can someone clarify this?
 
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The common relation in electron scattering experiments is 197 MeV fermi =1, where MeV relates to the incident electron energy, and fermi is the spatial resolution.. (The proper units perhaps should be Mev/c fermi, i.e., Δp Δx = 197 MeV/c fermi). See equation 1.11 et seq. in

http://faculty.ksu.edu.sa/mahgoub/My%20library/Advanced%20Quantum%20Field%20Theory.pdf

Bob S
 
That just mean that hbar c = 197 MeV fm, I know that, and it does not answer my question.
 
evilcman said:
That just mean that hbar c = 197 MeV fm, I know that, and it does not answer my question.
For pions, (pc)2 = E2 - (mc2)2

You probably need to transform to the center-of-mass (CM) reference frame. See Section 38.2 in

http://pdg.lbl.gov/2009/reviews/rpp2009-rev-kinematics.pdf

Bob S
 
Bob S said:
For pions, (pc)2 = E2 - (mc2)2

You probably need to transform to the center-of-mass (CM) reference frame. See Section 38.2 in

http://pdg.lbl.gov/2009/reviews/rpp2009-rev-kinematics.pdf

Bob S

Yes I know, but since for the pion bombarding I get pc = 1,9 GeV and m=140MeV
=> pc approx E

Now, if I have to transform to the C.M. frame (which is approximately the pion rest frame in this case) that may make a difference, but why should I do that?
 
evilcman said:
Now, if I have to transform to the C.M. frame (which is approximately the pion rest frame in this case) that may make a difference, but why should I do that?
The real physics is usually in the CM reference frame.

Bob S
 

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