Retarded time calculations: Electrodynamics

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The discussion focuses on calculating the energy radiated by a positive charge as it accelerates towards another stationary positive charge, using Larmor's formula. The participant outlines their approach, expressing confusion over integrating the retarded acceleration and adjusting limits for the integral. They propose that the retarded position at the initial time is infinite, while the final position corresponds to the distance of closest approach. Another participant suggests that integrating with respect to retarded velocity may simplify the process, while also noting that the problem involves calculating energy crossing a fixed spherical surface. The conversation emphasizes the importance of retarded time in determining the energy emitted during the charge's motion.
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Homework Statement



A positive charge ##q## is fired head-on at a distant positive charge ##Q## that is held stationary. It comes in at speed ##v_0## and comes to an instantaneous halt at distance ##r_f## away from Q. What is the amount of energy radiated due to acceleration in this time interval? Assume ##v_0<<c##

Homework Equations



Larmor's formula for power incident over a constant ##R## surface over the charge, at time ##t##.
$$P(t) = \frac{\mu_0 q^2 a(t_r)^2}{6 \pi c}$$
where ##t_r = t - R/c## is the retarded time

The Attempt at a Solution


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Brief sketch:

Acceleration is ##a \sim 1/r^2##, but can also be written as ##a(t_r) \sim 1/r(t_r)^2##, which means that retarded acceleration is a function of retarded position at time t (call it ##r'(t)##), and so ##a(t_r) \sim 1/r'(t)^2##. Energy collected across a constant ##R## surface from ##t \in [t_1, t_2]## is
$$E \sim \int_{t_1}^{t_2} dt \ a(t_r)^2$$
where integral variable ##dt## refers to the present time. But ##a(t_r) = a(r'(t))##
$$E \sim \int_{r'(t_1)}^{r'(t_2)} dr' \ \frac{dt}{dr'} \ a(r')^2$$
I'm not sure how right I have been so far, but I start to get confused here with the new limits and change of variables.

I'm guessing that ##r'(t_1) = \infty## while ##r'(t_2)## is set at the distance of closest approach ##r_f##, which seems to make sense; the power you receive at ##t_1## should be the power released from the retarded position at ##t_1##. Ditto for ##t_2##

As for ##\frac{dt}{dr'}##, ##\frac{dr'(t)}{dt}## seems to be the rate of change of retarded position, which is the retarded velocity ##v'(t)##, and its relation to ##r'##can be obtained via the law of energy conservation. Finally,
$$E \sim \int dr' \ \frac{1}{v'(r')} \ a(r')^2$$

Does any of this make sense? Many thanks in advance.
 
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WWCY said:
$$E \sim \int_{t_1}^{t_2} dt \ a(t_r)^2$$
where integral variable ##dt## refers to the present time. But ##a(t_r) = a(r'(t))##
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Finally,
$$E \sim \int dr' \ \frac{1}{v'(r')} \ a(r')^2$$

Does any of this make sense? Many thanks in advance.
I think it is OK. I believe the integration is easier if you choose the integration variable to be the retarded velocity ##v(t') \equiv v'##. Note ##dE_{rad} = Pdt = P\frac{dt}{dv'}dv' = \frac{P}{a'}dv'##

But, if you want to stick with integrating with respect to ##r'##, it's not too bad.

This problem came up a few years ago
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/energy-radiated-from-a-charge-in-electric-field.771453/

However, in your problem you are calcuating the total energy that eventually crosses a fixed spherical surface of large radius R. The energy that crosses the surface at time t depends on what the charge was doing at the retarded time.

In that other thead, the calculation adds up the energy emitted during each infinitesimal time ##dt##. It does not make use of retarded time or of a fixed surface at large distance. I think the two calculations yield the same result.
 
Cheers, thanks for taking the time! I'll give the thread you mentioned a read.
 
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