Revolutions per second for hydrogen molecule

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The discussion revolves around calculating the rotational frequency of a hydrogen molecule (H2) based on its energy levels and the distance between its nucleons. The energy levels provided are E0=0, E1=0.0151 eV, and E2=0.0453 eV, with a nucleon distance of 0.0741 nm.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between energy levels and rotational frequency, questioning the applicability of certain equations. There is discussion on using the formula for rotational kinetic energy and its relation to frequency.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, attempting various calculations and questioning the correctness of their results. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of rotational dynamics, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or final answers.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the correct application of formulas for rotational motion versus vibrational motion, as well as discrepancies in numerical calculations. Participants are encouraged to review relevant concepts.

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Homework Statement


The distance between the both nucleons in the H2 molecule is 0.0741 nm
The energy for the 3 lowest radiation levels of the molecule are:
##E_{0}=0 \\
E_{1}=0.0151 eV \\
E_{2}=0.0453 eV##
How many revolutions per second does the molecule rotate with in the different states?

Homework Equations


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The Attempt at a Solution


How many revolutions per second does the molecule rotate with? I thought that if f in the last equation above is frequency then the rotational speed would be omega=f*2pi. So if we rewrite the last equation we get
## f=\frac{E_{v}}{(\nu+1/2)h} \Leftrightarrow \omega=\frac{2\pi* E_{v}}{(\nu+1/2)h} ##

Of course the first level gives zero rev/s but for the others I get the wrong answer. When putting in the above values, I get

##\omega=\frac{2\pi* 0.0151* 1.606*10^{-19}}{(1+1/2)*6.626*10^{-34}}=1.53*10^{14} rev/s ## which is incorrect. Also the other value gives the wrong answer in this equation.

The correct answers should be:
##\omega_0 = 0 \\ \omega_1 = 5.2*10^{12} \\ \omega_2 = 9.0*10^{12} \\ (rev/s)##

I don't understand how to get to these answers. Shouldn't the above equation be used? Or is it something else that needs to be taken into consideration? Please help how to get to these answers.
 

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Homework Statement


The distance between the both nucleons in the H2 molecule is 0.0741 nm
The energy for the 3 lowest radiation levels of the molecule are:
##E_{0}=0 \\
E_{1}=0.0151 eV \\
E_{2}=0.0453 eV##
How many revolutions per second does the molecule rotate with in the different states?

Homework Equations


See attachment
?temp_hash=f9aa9466b32d47ffe295eddddddd674e.png


The Attempt at a Solution


How many revolutions per second does the molecule rotate with? I thought that if f in the last equation above is frequency then the rotational speed would be omega=f*2pi. So if we rewrite the last equation we get
## f=\frac{E_{v}}{(\nu+1/2)h} \Leftrightarrow \omega=\frac{2\pi* E_{v}}{(\nu+1/2)h} ##

Of course the first level gives zero rev/s but for the others I get the wrong answer. When putting in the above values, I get

##\omega=\frac{2\pi* 0.0151* 1.606*10^{-19}}{(1+1/2)*6.626*10^{-34}}=1.53*10^{14} rev/s ## which is incorrect. Also the other value gives the wrong answer in this equation.

The correct answers should be:
##\omega_0 = 0 \\ \omega_1 = 5.2*10^{12} \\ \omega_2 = 9.0*10^{12} \\ (rev/s)##

I don't understand how to get to these answers. Shouldn't the above equation be used? Or is it something else that needs to be taken into consideration? Please help how to get to these answers.
The equation you started with applies to vibrations of the molecule, not rotations. It doesn't apply here.

You need to go back and review rotational kinematics to find out how the energy is related to the frequency of rotation.
 
Do you mean rotational dynamics $$E_{rotational}=1/2 I\omega^2$$
This?

I still don't get the right answer.
 
Yes, that's right. It worked for me. Show your work.
 
##E_{rotational}=1/2 I\omega^2 \Leftrightarrow \omega=\sqrt{\frac{2E}{I}} \\
I=1/2mr^2##
$$\Rightarrow \omega=\sqrt{\frac{4E}{mr^2}}$$
##\Rightarrow \omega=\sqrt{\frac{4*0.0151*1.606*10^{-19}}{1.66*10^{-27}*(7.41*10^{-11})^2}}=1.03*10^{13}##
 
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Divide by ##2\pi## since you want the result in rev/s.
 
##\frac{1.03*10^{13}}{2\pi}=1.64*10^{12}##
Still not correct, correct answer should be ##5.2*10^{12}##
 
I don't get ##1.03 \times 10^{13}## in the numerator from the expression you gave above. I get ##3.26 \times 10^{13}##.
 
You are correct, I must have made a careless mistake somewhere. Thank you for your assistance!
 
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Effect said:
##\Rightarrow \omega=\sqrt{\frac{4*0.0151*1.606*10^{-19}}{1.66*10^{-27}*(7.41*10^{-11})^2}}=1.03*10^{13}##
Under the square root, the result is 1.0642x1027. You took the square root of 1.0642, and added the magnitude 1013 instead of the square root of 10.642 x 10 26.
 

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