Right Triangle Maximization Problem

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The discussion revolves around a maximization problem involving right triangles, specifically focusing on finding a geometric solution to the problem of maximizing the difference between the sum of the lengths of the two legs and the length of the hypotenuse, given that the hypotenuse has a fixed length of 1. Participants explore various approaches, including geometric reasoning and the application of mathematical inequalities.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses interest in a geometric solution to the problem, having already solved it using calculus and trigonometry.
  • Another participant applies the generalized mean equality to suggest that the maximum occurs when the legs of the triangle are equal.
  • A different perspective involves representing the triangle within a circle of radius 1 and analyzing the behavior of the triangle's sides as the vertex moves along the circle, concluding that the maximum occurs at a 45-degree angle.
  • Further discussion includes challenges in rigorously justifying the reasoning behind the changes in the sides of the triangle as the angle varies.
  • One participant describes a tangent line approach to explain how the lengths of the legs change as the angle changes, noting the relationship between the angles and the lengths of the legs.

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Participants present multiple competing views on how to approach the problem, with no consensus reached on a singular geometric solution. There is acknowledgment of the complexity in rigorously justifying certain arguments.

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Some participants note the difficulty in making certain mathematical concepts accessible to those with less experience, indicating a potential limitation in the discussion's clarity for a broader audience.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring geometric approaches to optimization problems, those studying calculus and its applications, and participants looking for alternative methods to traditional analytical solutions.

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This is a fairly standard maximization problem in calculus, but I was wondering if anybody could help me come up with a nice geometric solution. It seems like it should be possible to make an argument based on symmetry, but I haven't quite been able to work it out yet. Note, I have already solved this problem using calculus and/or trigonometry, but I'm interested in a geometric solution. Help is greatly appreciated.

The Right Triangle Problem
The sum of the lengths of the two legs of a right triangle is greater
than the length of its hypotenuse. [Let’s agree that the three sided
of a triangle must be genuine line segments, not single points.]
Considering only right triangles with hypotenuse of length 1, what is
the largest the difference between the sum of the lengths of the two
sides and the length of the hypotenuse can be?
 
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If x is the base and y is the height then by the generalized mean equality \frac{x+y}{2} \leq \sqrt{\frac{x^2+y^2}{2}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt2}
and we attain equality when x = y. So max is when they are the same.
 
You can represent all the possible triangles by a circle of radius 1. It is clear that when one side of the triangle decreases, the other must decrease. The direction in which the vertex of the triangle moves is a tangent to the circle. When you are moving at a less than 45 degree angle with respect to the x axis, you get less change in y than change in x. When you start at point (0,1) going around the circle counterclockwise, x is decreasing and y in increasing. Since at first you are going almost vertically, you get a lot of change in y for a change in x, and since y is increasing, it must be that their sum is also increasing. Y is changing faster all the way up to 45 degrees. After 45 degrees, x is changing faster, that means the sum is decreasing, because x is decreasing. Because the sum is increasing all the way up to 45 degrees, it means that it must be the biggest at 45 degrees.
 
Thanks for the responses.

@pwsnafu: That's interesting - I wasn't familiar with the Generalized Mean Equality and that is a slick solution. Do you have any suggestions on how to make it more accessible and easy to think about for people with less math experience?

@chingel: This was the way that I thought about the problem without using calculus. However, the difficulty I encountered was arguing in a rigorous fashion that "Since at first you are going almost vertically, you get a lot of change in y for a change in x, and since y is increasing, it must be that their sum is also increasing." Is there a simple and accessible way to show this?
 
I'm not sure about how rigorous it is but basically it's just that a right triangle has the shorter leg opposite the smaller angle.

Consider a point A on the circle in the first quadrant making a 30 degree angle with the x-axis moving counterclockwise on the circle. You can approximately for small movement consider the point moving on the line that is tangent to the circle at point A. The point is moving left and up at an 60 degree angle. The length of the hypotenuse represents how much the point A has moved, and it's legs represent how much x and y has changed. Since in a right triangle the leg opposite the 60 degree angle is longer than the leg opposite the 30 degree angle, this means y has changed more than x. And since you are moving up and left, x is decreasing and y is increasing. Since the change in y is bigger, the sum of x and y is also increasing.
 
Gotcha. It's essentially a calculus-like argument when it comes down to it. Thanks for your thoughts. :-)
 

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