Rocket Thrust Balancing Gravity

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a rocket that needs to hover stationary just above the ground while managing its fuel consumption. It requires calculating the time it can hover based on its initial mass, the mass of fuel it can burn, and the exhaust velocity of the rocket.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive an equation for the time the rocket can hover but encounters a negative time issue. Some participants discuss the implications of mass decreasing and how to properly account for it in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical derivation, with one suggesting a modification to ensure the time value is positive. There is acknowledgment of the correctness of this adjustment, but the discussion remains open regarding the validity of the solution.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about the exhaust velocity and the percentage of fuel that can be burned are central to the discussion. The original poster's calculations are based on these parameters, which are critical to the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A rocket (initial mass m0) needs to use its engines ot hover stationary, just above the ground. If it can afford to burn no more than a mass (lamda)m0 of its fuel, for how long can it hover? If the exhaust velocity is 3000 m/s and lambda is 10% how long can the rocket hover?

Homework Equations


Thrust = v_{ex} \frac{dm}{dt}

v_{ex} is the exhaust velocity

The Attempt at a Solution



So starting off with the basic sum of forces equals zero:

\dot{m}v_{ex} = mg

\frac{dm}{dt} = \frac{mg}{v_{ex}}

\frac{dm}{m} = \frac{g dt}{v_{ex}}

\frac{g}{v_{ex}} \int_{0}^{t} dt = \int_{m_{0}}^{m_{0} - \lambda m_{0}} \frac{dm}{m}

\frac{g}{v_{ex}} t = ln(m) ]_{m_{0}}^{m_{0} - \lambda m_{0}}

\frac{g}{v_{ex}} t = ln [m_{0} - \lambda m_{0}] - ln [m_{0}]

\frac{g}{v_{ex}} t = ln [\frac{m_{0} - \lambda m_{0}}{m_{0}}]

\frac{g}{v_{ex}} t = ln [ 1 - \lambda]

t = \frac{v_{ex}}{g} ln [ 1 - \lambda]

And here is where I encounter an issue. Since lambda will always be positive, regardless of how much fuel the rocket can expend this equation will give a negative time. Does anyone see where I went wrong with the calculations, or are my original assumptions wrong?

Thanks for any and all help
 
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The thrust equation just gives magnitude. Note that dm/dt should be a negative number since mass is decreasing.
 
So if I carry along the negative associated with the decreasing mass, then the last few steps would be:

(-) t = \frac{v_{ex}}{g} ln [ 1 - \lambda]

t = - \frac{v_{ex}}{g} ln [ 1 - \lambda]

t = \frac{v_{ex}}{g} ln [ (1 - \lambda)^(-1)]

t = \frac{v_{ex}}{g} ln [ \frac{1}{1 - \lambda}]

And that would give a positive value for time. This equation makes sense, but is it a proper solution?
 
That's correct.
 
Thanks!
 

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