Rotating Conducting Cylinder in B - Induced Voltage

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The discussion centers on deriving the induced voltage in a rotating conducting cylinder within a radial magnetic field using Faraday's law. The initial solution using motional emf is presented as ωRHB, where ω is the angular velocity, R is the radius, H is the height, and B is the magnetic field strength. The contributor expresses concern about the feasibility of a purely radial magnetic field due to Maxwell's equations, specifically the absence of magnetic monopoles. They seek clarification on applying Faraday's law to achieve the same result, detailing the calculation of magnetic flux change through a differential area element of the cylinder. The conversation emphasizes the relationship between the rotating cylinder's motion and the induced emf in the context of electromagnetic theory.
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Rotating Conducting Cylinder in B -- Induced Voltage

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I understand how to use motional emf to solve this problem.
\int_C U \times B\, dl
U = \omega R
and
\int_C dl = H
so the answer, symbolically, is
\omega RHB
where \omega is the spinning in rad/s, R is the radius of the cylinder, H is the cylinder's height, and B is the radial magnetic field.

Could someone help me to use Faraday's law to derive the same answer? In my mind, the magnetic flux is constant since if you take snapshots of the spinning cylinder, you always have the same magnetic field flowing through the same surface area (which I believe to be the cylinder's surface area minus to two circular tops).
 
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Think of it this way: The conducting cylinder has all those electrons in it that are free to move. They have velocity v = ω x r and they are in a magnetic field, which means they experience a Lorentz force F = qvxB, which means they will move in response to that force. This is another way of saying that we have motional emf.

Having said that, I hasten to add that this problem does not sit well with me because, strictly speaking, you cannot have a purely radial B field. Such a field violates the "No magnetic monopoles" Maxwell equation.
 
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kuruman said:
Think of it this way: The conducting cylinder has all those electrons in it that are free to move. They have velocity v = ω x r and they are in a magnetic field, which means they experience a Lorentz force F = qvxB, which means they will move in response to that force. This is another way of saying that we have motional emf.

Having said that, I hasten to add that this problem does not sit well with me because, strictly speaking, you cannot have a purely radial B field. Such a field violates the "No magnetic monopoles" Maxwell equation.

I understand that interpretation in solving the problem as I did provide a solution using motional emf. I seek to understand more completely Faraday's law, which does not use Lorentz force as far as I can tell.

Do you know how correctly to apply the rate of change in flux to arrive to the same answer?
 


xcvxcvvc said:
Do you know how correctly to apply the rate of change in flux to arrive to the same answer?
Consider a sliver of an area element on the surface of the cylinder that runs down the cylinder's length. It has "width" Rdθ and "length" H. The area is
dA = HRdθ
This area element takes time dt to rotate by amount dθ, so the rate of change of flux through it is
dΦ/dt = B dA/dt = B HRdθ/dt = BHRω. :wink:
 
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