Rotating cone filled with water

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The discussion centers on optimizing the location of a hole in a rotating cone filled with liquid to maximize the distance water sprays. The user applies the Bernoulli equation and explores the effects of angular momentum and pressure variations within the cone. Key equations include the velocity at the hole, derived from the height and radius of the cone, and the use of Lagrange multipliers to account for constraints. The user seeks clarification on the correct application of Bernoulli's principle in the context of rotational dynamics.

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I have a cone filled with liqid with radius R and height H rotating with \omega. Where do we have to drill a hole that the water would spray to the maximum distance from the cone?

I used the Bernoulli equation obtainig
p_0+0.5 \rho {v_1}^2=p_0+0.5 \rho v^2
v is the speed at the hole, getting

v^2=2g(H-h-h^2-r^2\frac{\omega^2}{2g})=2g(H-h-h^2\frac{(tg{\alpha})^2}\omega^2}{2g}),
where tg{\alpha}=R/H.
I taught using Lagrange multiplicator, where the constraint is the water falling on the floor prom the upward cone:

\psi=v sin{\alpha} t+gt^2/2-h=0.

Further more:
F=v_x t+\lambda(v sin{\alpha} t+gt^2/2-h)
=v cos{\alpha}+\lambda(v sin{\alpha} t+gt^2/2-h)
Solution should be obtained by
\frac{\partial F}{partial t} and

\frac{\partial F}{partial v}, v=v(h),
but i can't solve it.
Did I make the concept wrong? Any ideas would be helpfull.

PS: The cone is standing on its tip and it is opened at the top.
 
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Two things will help to spray that water; the pressure which increases as we go down the cone, and the angular momentum which increases as we go up the cone. With a very flat cone I should imagine the best place is near the top; With a very sharp cone I guess the best place is near the bottom. There should be an angle at which it doesn't matter.
 
Thank you. I agree. But the problem is solving the equation. Is the use of Bernoulli eq. even correct. Do I incorporate the rotation velocity in Bernoulli eq. or as a separate contribution?
 

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