Rotation Problems: Finding Initial Angular Velocity and Angle Turned

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The discussion revolves around solving two rotation problems involving angular velocity and motion. The first problem involves determining the initial angular velocity required for a ring to complete one full revolution, utilizing conservation of energy and the moment of inertia. The second problem focuses on a wheel with constant angular acceleration, where the user initially miscalculates the angle turned and seeks clarification on integrating angular velocity correctly. Additionally, there is a query about comparing the ranges of a hollow sphere and a uniform sphere rolling down an incline, emphasizing the importance of rotational kinetic energy and the relationship between their velocities. The conversation highlights the need for understanding the principles of rotational dynamics and energy conservation in solving these physics problems.
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Homework Statement



1. A ring 1.5 m in diameter is pivoted at one point on its circumference so that it is free to rotate about a horizontal axis. Initially, the line joining the support and center is horizontal. What must be the initial angular velocity be if the ring is to make just a complete revolution ?

2. A wheel starts from rest with a constant angular acceleration of 2.6 rad/s^2 and rolls for 6 s. At the end of that time. (a) Through what angle has the wheel turned ?



Homework Equations



Ei=Ef
\tau=I*\alpha

The Attempt at a Solution



1. I use conservation of energy.

Ei=(1/2)*I*\omegai2

Ef= (1/2)*I*\omegai2

I can calculate I= 2*M*R^2.

I substitute I into the conservation of energy equation and get R*\omegai2 - R*\omegaf2= g.

How do I continue to solve for \omegai

2. I integrate the acceleration from 0 to 6 and get the velocity right as 15.6 rad/s. Then to get the angle I integrate velocity from 0 to 6 and get 93.6 rade. However I am wrong. The result should be 46.8 rad. What did I do wrong ? How do I correct it ?
 
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What should I substitue for omega final ??
 
what other varibles you get?
 
That's all I get. I need to solve for omega initial though so I still don't know how to get that.
 
2. I tried to use the way of setting frictional force equal to mgsin\theta and solve for\theta but it was wrong. My teacher told me to use the non slipping condition but how do I relate that condition to angle theta ?
 
So I solved both of these guys successfully.

I have another problem though.

A hollow sphere and unifrom sphere of the same mass m and radius R roll down an inclined plane from the same height H without slipping. Ech is moving horizontally as it leaves the ramp. When the spheres hit the ground, the range of the hollow sphere is L. Find the range L' of the uniform sphere.

I guess I should use conservation of energy here right ?? Any hint ?? Kinda of urgent for test tomorrow.
 
nns91 said:
So I solved both of these guys successfully.

I have another problem though.

A hollow sphere and unifrom sphere of the same mass m and radius R roll down an inclined plane from the same height H without slipping. Ech is moving horizontally as it leaves the ramp. When the spheres hit the ground, the range of the hollow sphere is L. Find the range L' of the uniform sphere.

I guess I should use conservation of energy here right ?? Any hint ?? Kinda of urgent for test tomorrow.

You will want to consider the differences between the rotational kinetic energies - look at the moments of inertia.
 
Thanks. So yeah, I can find out the different in rotational kinetic. Then how should I relate that to the length each thing travel;
 
nns91 said:
Thanks. So yeah, I can find out the different in rotational kinetic. Then how should I relate that to the length each thing travel;

You know the relative V for each and the time to hit the ground is the same.

Since they both take the same amount of time to hit, the L/L' will be in the same ratio as V/V'
 
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Thank you so much.
 
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