# Rotational Force Problem

1. May 5, 2008

### Sheneron

[SOLVED] Rotational Force Problem

1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Consider a conical pendulum with a 89.0 kg bob on a 10.0 m wire making an angle of = 5.00° with the vertical (Fig. P6.9).

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3. The attempt at a solution
I am having alot of trouble figuring this out. I have tried to set up force diagrams but I am getting confused. I know that the force is the y direction is just mg but to make it this way it would have to be
$$Tsin(\theta) - mgsin(\theta) = 0$$ and I don't understand why it would be mg multiplied by the sine of the angle.
Also, for the second part I don't understand why the answer is not just mg times the sin of the angle.
Can someone help me figure out this problem? Thanks.

2. May 5, 2008

### alphysicist

Hi Sheneron,

I'm not certain which direction you're trying to write that equation for. However, you're right that mg is completely vertical; also, the tension has both vertical and horizontal components.

For this problem, you'll also need the acceleration (magnitude and direction). What do you get?

3. May 5, 2008

### Sheneron

For the horizontal tension the equation I get is
$$Tcos(\theta) - mgsin(\theta) = 0$$
For vertical I get
$$Tsin(\theta) - mgsin(\theta) = 0$$

I am pretty sure those have to be the answers, but I can't see where they came from. I don't understand how to set the force diagram up.

4. May 5, 2008

### Sheneron

Now I am very confused... ma would not equal 0 would it? To find the acceleration you would first have to know the tension, which I am having alot of trouble on

5. May 5, 2008

### Sheneron

ohhhhhhhh I think I got it

$$Tcos(\theta) - mg = 0$$
$$T = \frac{mg}{cos(\theta)}$$

$$T_y = Tcos(\theta) = \frac{mg}{cos(\theta)}cos(\theta) = mg$$

$$T_x = Tsin(\theta) = \frac{mg}{cos(\theta)}sin(\theta)$$

$$F_x = ma_r$$

$$\frac{mg}{cos(\theta)}sin(\theta) = ma_r$$

$$a_r = \frac{mgtan(\theta)}{m}$$