Roughly estimate the probability that 2 photons are from Higgs

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The discussion revolves around estimating the probability that two high-energy photons with an invariant mass of 126 GeV are decay products of the Higgs boson. Participants are exploring the context of particle physics and the specific conditions under which such an estimate might be made.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find a method for estimating the probability by considering the ratio of Higgs events to background events. They express uncertainty about the data needed and seek guidance on where to find relevant information.
  • Some participants question the vagueness of the problem, noting the lack of specificity regarding the location of the photon detection and the methodology used to identify them.
  • Others suggest using references from particle physics experiments, particularly from the ATLAS and CMS collaborations, while emphasizing the need for clarity in the problem statement.
  • There is discussion about the relevance of the 126 GeV mass value, with some participants indicating it may be outdated and questioning the number of Higgs events at that mass.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing pointers to potential sources of data and raising important questions about the assumptions underlying the problem. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive lines of inquiry have been suggested.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the ambiguity in the problem statement regarding the experimental setup and the specific conditions under which the photons are being analyzed. This lack of detail may affect the interpretation of the question and the approach to finding a solution.

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Homework Statement


Make a very rough estimate of the probability that two high energy photons with an invariant mass of 126GeV are decay products of the Higgs. Use information found elsewhere (so I need to find this info preferably on the internet).

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I'm not really sure what I need for my estimate! Would it work if I find the number of background events at 126GeV and the number of Higgs events then do Higgs / (Higgs + background) ? That sort of data is proving hard to find, so I suspect I should be looking for some other information... I did think the table on page 4 http://inspirehep.net/record/1257018/files/ICHEP2012_045.pdf here might be useful, if I knew how to interpret it.

I'd really appreciate any pointers on where I might find data on the number of events, or whether that's completely the wrong approach. Thanks for any help! :)

Edit: I could maybe very crudely read the values off this graph, I think it's about 400 Higgs events in the 5000 total events? But I could be horribly misinterpreting the meaning of the graph.
http://www.particleadventure.org/the-data-for-higgs-boson-decaying-to-two-photons.html
 
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This question is very very vague as it does not specify where those two photons are found and what the procedure to find them was.

Assuming that you want it at CMS after all cuts etc, you could use the references you provided (figure 3 in the first one is essentially equivalent to the image in the blog post). I would reference the original papers instead of an online blog or a conference proceeding though.
 
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Orodruin said:
This question is very very vague as it does not specify where those two photons are found and what the procedure to find them was.

Assuming that you want it at CMS after all cuts etc, you could use the references you provided (figure 3 in the first one is essentially equivalent to the image in the blog post). I would reference the original papers instead of an online blog or a conference proceeding though.
I'm not sure from which collaboration the data should come, but I think CMS would be acceptable. It is very vague, I might ask for clarification! Thanks for your help. :)
 
Well, you just have two options for the source, ATLAS and CMS. Both are fine.
The fraction depends on the collision energy, the transverse momentum of the photons and various other things, so taking a random publication should be fine - you won’t get more than a very rough approximation anyway.

126 GeV is an outdated mass calue, by the way. There are probably nearly no Higgs events there, although the experiments see some based on their finite resolution.
 
mfb said:
Well, you just have two options for the source, ATLAS and CMS. Both are fine.
That is assuming that the setting is a particle collider experiment that is looking for the Higgs, which is not specified by the question itself. It may be specified in the actual assignment, but this is not something we can know. I can go looking for photon pairs with an invariant mass of 126 GeV in my living room and none of the ones I find (if any) will be due to Higgs decays. My point is that just specifying "two high energy photons" tells us nothing of the setting in which they are to be looked for. I agree that it might be reasonable to assume one of the LHC experiments, but the question itself really does not tell us.
 
Technically correct, but I’m sure this is in the context of the LHC.
 

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