Second derivative using implicit differentiation

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving proving that y'' can be simplified to an expression using implicit differentiation and the quotient rule. The conversation also mentions the use of the product rule and a substitution to simplify the problem.
  • #1
cphill29
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Homework Statement



x^6 + y^6 = -6

I have to prove that y'' = 30x^4/y^11

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Using implicit differentiation:

6x^5 + 6y^5 dy/dx = 0
6y^5 dy/dx = -6x^5
dy/dx = -x^5/y^5

Quotient Rule:

[(y^5)(-5x^4) - (-x^5)(5y^4 dy/dx)] / (y^5)^2
[-5x^4 y^5 + (x^5) 5y^4 dy/dx] / (y^5)^2

This is where I got stuck.
 
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You can replace dy/dx again, and then simplify a bit.
Also, you lost an equality sign somewhere... that expression on the last line, what is it equal to again?
 
  • #3
For me, rather than using the quotient rule, it was easier to do this:

[tex] y^5 \frac{dy}{dx} = -x^5 [/tex]

and differentiate this implicitly (using the product rule on the left-hand side). As CompuChip pointed out, you'll have to substitute in the expression for dy/dx, and you also get a handy substitution from the original statement that x^6 + y^6 = -6 .
 

1. What is the second derivative using implicit differentiation?

The second derivative using implicit differentiation is a mathematical technique used to find the rate of change of the slope of a curve at a given point. It involves taking the derivative of the first derivative, which is known as the second derivative.

2. How is implicit differentiation different from explicit differentiation?

Implicit differentiation is used when the equation of a curve cannot be easily expressed in terms of one variable. It involves treating the variables as functions and using the chain rule to take the derivative. On the other hand, explicit differentiation is used when an equation can be easily expressed in terms of one variable.

3. When is it necessary to use implicit differentiation instead of explicit differentiation?

Implicit differentiation is necessary when the equation of a curve cannot be easily manipulated to solve for one variable. This often happens when the equation includes both x and y terms or when it is in the form of a higher degree polynomial. In these cases, using implicit differentiation allows us to find the derivative without having to solve for one variable.

4. How do you find the second derivative using implicit differentiation?

To find the second derivative using implicit differentiation, you first find the first derivative using the chain rule. Then, you take the derivative of the first derivative using the chain rule again. This will give you the second derivative in terms of both x and y. You can then simplify the expression by substituting in values for x and y.

5. What is the practical application of finding the second derivative using implicit differentiation?

The second derivative using implicit differentiation is commonly used in physics and engineering to analyze the rate of change of a system's acceleration. It is also useful in economics to analyze the rate of change of a company's profit or revenue. Additionally, it can be used in optimization problems to find the maximum or minimum values of a function.

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