Semantics question about this angular momentum problem

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The discussion focuses on calculating the angular momentum of an airplane with a mass of 12,000 kg flying at a constant altitude of 4.30 km and a velocity of 175 m/s. The angular momentum relative to a wheat farmer on the ground is determined to be (-9.03 x 10^9 kg x m²/s) j. It is established that while the distance between the farmer and the airplane increases, the angular momentum remains constant due to the relationship between the altitude and the angle of the airplane's trajectory, specifically that r*sin(Θ) remains constant as the plane moves in level flight.

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Homework Statement


Heading straight toward the summit of Pikes Peak, an airplane of mass 12,000 kg flies over the plains of Kansas at nearly constant altitude 4.30 km with constant velocity 175 m/s west. a) What is the airplane's vector angular momentum relative to a wheat farmer on the ground directly below the airplane? b) Does this value change as the airplane continues its motion along a straight line?


Homework Equations



mag. of angular momentum = position*mass*velocity*angle between



The Attempt at a Solution



The answer to part a) is (-9.03 x 10^9 kg x m^2/s) j, which I have no problem with. But the answer to part b) is "No, L = |r||p|sin(Θ) = mv(rsinΘ), and r*sinΘ is the altitude of the plane. Therefore, L = constant as the plane moves in level flight with constant velocity."

But the problem asks for the plane's angular momentum relative to the wheat farmer. So if the plane keeps on moving west, wouldn't r (the distance between the farmer and the plane) keep on increasing?

The only way the answer makes sense to me is if they're really asking for the angular momentum of the plane relative to the ground, not the wheat farmer, because then, the distance between the plane and the ground would be constant.

Any help would be great...
 
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FisherDude said:
But the problem asks for the plane's angular momentum relative to the wheat farmer. So if the plane keeps on moving west, wouldn't r (the distance between the farmer and the plane) keep on increasing?
Sure, the distance r from farmer to plane increases. But r*sinΘ does not. Angular momentum is not just mv*r, but mvr*sinΘ. (Only when the plane is directly overhead does sinΘ = 1.)

The only way the answer makes sense to me is if they're really asking for the angular momentum of the plane relative to the ground, not the wheat farmer, because then, the distance between the plane and the ground would be constant.
Note that r*sinΘ is the distance between plane and ground.
 
You're correct, L remains constant even with the farmer. You realized that r*sin(theta) is simply the altitute, which is constant. You're correct that r will increase because the plane-farmer distance increases. However, sin(theta) will decrease at such a rate to keep L constant. Remember what the angle theta is defined as. It's the angle between the vector r and the vector v. You were allowed to ignore this in your original calculation because theta = 90 Sin(theta) = 1
 
Wow, I wish i had caught that.

Thanks!
 

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