Setting up Double Intergrals to Calculate Volume

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The discussion revolves around setting up a double integral in rectangular coordinates to calculate the volume of a solid defined by the equation Z = 30 - x² - y², which is bounded below by Z = 5. The original poster describes the solid as a downward-facing paraboloid with a circular base.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to establish the correct boundaries for the double integral, questioning whether their limits for x and y are accurate. Some participants suggest considering cylindrical coordinates due to the symmetry of the problem.

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Participants have provided feedback on the boundaries of the integral, with some confirming their correctness while others note a potential oversight regarding the lower limit. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct form of the integral, particularly in relation to the surfaces involved.

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There is mention of a misunderstanding regarding the volume calculation, where the original poster initially used the wrong equation for the integral. The discussion highlights the importance of recognizing the lower surface when calculating volume between two surfaces.

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Homework Statement


Set up the double integral in rectangular coordinates for calculating the volume.
The solid is created by the equation
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Homework Equations


Fubini's Thereom ∫R∫f(x,y)dA = ∫ab∫f(x,y)dydx

The Attempt at a Solution


The shape created by Z = 30 - x2 - y2 is 3d parabola facing downards.
Since it is bounded by Z = 5, the base shape is a circle at origin with radius 5 since
5 = 30 - x2 - y2 is equal to x2 + y2 = 25
As a result x is bounded by -5 and 5 while y is bounded by -√(25-x^2) and √(25-x^2)

As a result to set up the double integral
-55√(25-x^2)√(25-x^2)30-x^2-y^2dydx

Are the integral boundaries in correct?
 
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GogumaDork said:

Homework Statement


Set up the double integral in rectangular coordinates for calculating the volume.
The solid is created by the equation
pPQYP.png

Homework Equations


Fubini's Thereom ∫R∫f(x,y)dA = ∫ab∫f(x,y)dydx

The Attempt at a Solution


The shape created by Z = 30 - x2 - y2 is 3d parabola facing downards.
Since it is bounded by Z = 5, the base shape is a circle at origin with radius 5 since
5 = 30 - x2 - y2 is equal to x2 + y2 = 25
As a result x is bounded by -5 and 5 while y is bounded by -√(25-x^2) and √(25-x^2)

As a result to set up the double integral
-55-√(25-x^2)√(25-x^2)30-x^2-y^2dydx

Are the integral boundaries in correct?

Yes the boundaries are correct (except for the typo where you left out the "-" in the lower limit).

However, you really should be making use of the cylindrical symmetry here and changing to cylindrical coordinates. It makes the problem much easier.
 
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Thanks for the response! However, that is the answer I entered into Webwork but it states it is incorrect.
 
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Okay I managed to figure it out after reading: http://mathinsight.org/double_integral_volume

My boundaries were correct but the equation I was integrating was not.
It explained that the integral equation is not f(x,y) but f(x,y) - g(x,y), in my case g(x,y) being the "other surface" or z = 5

As a result I subtracted 5 from f(x,y) which was 30 - x^2 - y^2 and resulted in a final answer of
-55-√(25-x^2)√(25-x^2) 25-x^2-y^2dydx
 
Yes, what you had was the volume between the surface [itex]z= 30- x^2- y^2[/itex] and the xy-plane, z= 0. Unfortunately, so many basic problem ask for just the "area below the curve" and "the volume below the surface", we may develop the very bad habit of automatically assuming a lower bound of 0.

By the way, in cylindrical coordinates, that uart referred to, the upper surface is given by [itex]z= 30- r^2[/tex], the lower surface by z= 5, and the bounding circe by r= 5. The integral would be<br /> [tex]\int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi}\int_{r= 0}^5 (30- r^2- 5) rdrd\theta=\int_{\theta= 0}^{2\pi}\int_{r= 0}^5 (25- r^2) rdrd\theta[/tex][/itex]
 

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