SHM mass and spring constant with given frequency

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The discussion revolves around solving for mass (m) and spring constant (k) in a block-spring system with given frequencies. The user initially calculated angular frequencies (w and W) correctly but made an error in solving the resulting equations for m. By equating the two expressions for k, they set up the equation 88.8m = 31.9m + 2.55 but mistakenly divided by 2.55 instead of isolating m. After clarification, they realized the correct approach to find m is to rearrange the equation to 56.6m = 2.55, leading to the correct mass of 0.045 kg and spring constant of 3.99 N/m.
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Homework Statement



With a block of mass m, the frequency of a block-spring system is 1.5Hz. When 80g is added, the frequency drops to 0.9Hz. Find m and the spring constant k.


Homework Equations



T=1/f
w=2pi/T
so w= 2pi*f
w^2=k/m
so k=mw^2
T=2pi*sqrt(m/k)

The Attempt at a Solution



The problem seems simple enough. I just have to set up 2 equations to solve one unknown and then find the other right?
So first i found the w for when the mass= m and f= 1.5Hz (i called this w) and the w for when mass= m+0.08 and f= 0.9Hz (W).

Using the formula w= 2pi*f, i found 9.42 for w and 5.65 for W.

Then I set up the 2 equations:

k = mw^2 = 88.8m
and
k = (m+0.08)W^2 = 31.9m + 2.55

After i did equation 1 = equation 2, so:
88.8m = 31.9m + 2.55 and this gave me m=22.3

But the correct answer for m is supposed to be 0.045 kg. Can somebody let me know what I'm doing wrong please?

The correct value for k is supposed to be 3.99N/m
 
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k77i said:
88.8m = 31.9m + 2.55 and this gave me m=22.3

Try redoing the above step again. I think that's where the trouble is coming from.
 
I'm not exactly sure which steps you're asking me to redo but i'll show my calculations in more detail if that's what you meant.

w= 2pi*f1 = 2pi*1.5 = 9.42 rad/s
W= 2pi*f2 = 2pi*0.9 = 5.65 rad/s

Then,

1) k= mw^2 = m*9.42^2 = 88.8m
2) k= W^2(m+0.08) = 5.65^2(m+0.08) = 31.9m + 2.55

I really still don't see what's wrong with the way I'm doing it..
 
k77i said:
I'm not exactly sure which steps you're asking me to redo but i'll show my calculations in more detail if that's what you meant.

w= 2pi*f1 = 2pi*1.5 = 9.42 rad/s
W= 2pi*f2 = 2pi*0.9 = 5.65 rad/s

Then,

1) k= mw^2 = m*9.42^2 = 88.8m
2) k= W^2(m+0.08) = 5.65^2(m+0.08) = 31.9m + 2.55

I really still don't see what's wrong with the way I'm doing it..

So far so good. It's the next step where you solve for m (after you set the equations equal).
 
Well ok..

Equation 1 = Equation 2

88.8m = 31.9m + 2.55

then bring the "m" terms to one side

88.8m - 31.9m = 2.55

56.6m = 2.55

and then divide..

Ahhh! wow i feel really stupid.. i was dividing both sides by 2.55 all this time.. I get it now, thanks a lot
 
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