Show simplification of dipole's electric field for certain case

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The discussion focuses on deriving the electric field equation for a dipole, specifically showing that it simplifies to E = Q/(2πϵ_0 r^2) * i^ when r = d/2. The participant is attempting to reconcile their calculations with problem 1.2, noting a discrepancy where their result appears to be double that of the expected value. They provide a detailed breakdown of their approach, including the use of the Pythagorean theorem to define r. Another participant points out potential typos in the original calculations, suggesting that the final electric field expression should indeed align with the expected result. The conversation emphasizes the importance of careful algebraic manipulation in confirming the electric field's derivation.
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Homework Statement


I'm just trying to show that the equation in the attached image becomes E = Q/(2π ##ϵ_0## ##r^2##) * ##i^##, where ##i^## is i-hat, the unit vector for when r is the smallest that it could be, which is when r = d/2.

I'm doing this with reference to problem 1.2 (and I'm including problem 1.1 so that you have the background information for problem 1.2).

Homework Equations


The equation in the image as well as E = Q/(2π ##ϵ_0## ##r^2##) * ##i^##.

The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt is attached as MyAttempt.pdf.

Is it a coincidence that I'm getting double the value shown in problem 1.2?

Any help in getting to show that the vector equation for the electric field of a dipole breaks down to E = Q/(2π ##ϵ_0## ##r^2##) * ##i^## would be greatly appreciated!
 

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You are approaching this well, but is easier to why this result comes if you examine it like this.

The x-components of the electric field add, so we say that,

E_t = E_1 + E_2\\<br /> E_1 = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_o}\frac{Q}{r^2}sin\theta

Which is the same as E_2 because both value of sines are positive. Even though we have a specific value for what r should be, to justify our solution we will define r using the Pythagorean theorem. So the total electric field then becomes.

E_t = \frac{2}{4\pi\epsilon_o}\frac{Q}{y^2 + \frac{d}{2}}sin\theta\\<br /> sin\theta = \frac{d}{2}{r}\\<br /> E_t =\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_o}\frac{Qd}{r^3}\\<br /> E_t = \frac{Qd}{4\pi\epsilon_o}\frac{8}{d^3}\\<br /> E_t = \frac{Q}{2\pi\epsilon_od^2}

Then remember that your d value is actually
d^2 = \frac{d^2}{4} = r^2

This should give you the answer that you are searching for.
 
Thanks for your answer.

Isn't what I got in the PDF of my work (in my opening/first post of this thread) ##E_t##?

It seems that you made a few typos, so in an attempt to overlook the typos, I think your work results in ##E_t## = Q/(2π ##ϵ_0## ##r^2##), such that ##E_1## = ##E_2## = Q/(4π ##ϵ_0## ##r^2##).

I'm mentioning this because my ##E_t## seems to be double yours (which in turn is double ##E_1## and ##E_2##, respectively – such that my ##E_t## is four times ##E_1## and ##E_2##, respectively), so while I think I see what you're trying to say, I'm still not getting the algebra to confirm it.

Could you please elaborate on this situation?
 
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