Show simplification of dipole's electric field for certain case

AI Thread Summary
The discussion focuses on deriving the electric field equation for a dipole, specifically showing that it simplifies to E = Q/(2πϵ_0 r^2) * i^ when r = d/2. The participant is attempting to reconcile their calculations with problem 1.2, noting a discrepancy where their result appears to be double that of the expected value. They provide a detailed breakdown of their approach, including the use of the Pythagorean theorem to define r. Another participant points out potential typos in the original calculations, suggesting that the final electric field expression should indeed align with the expected result. The conversation emphasizes the importance of careful algebraic manipulation in confirming the electric field's derivation.
s3a
Messages
814
Reaction score
8

Homework Statement


I'm just trying to show that the equation in the attached image becomes E = Q/(2π ##ϵ_0## ##r^2##) * ##i^##, where ##i^## is i-hat, the unit vector for when r is the smallest that it could be, which is when r = d/2.

I'm doing this with reference to problem 1.2 (and I'm including problem 1.1 so that you have the background information for problem 1.2).

Homework Equations


The equation in the image as well as E = Q/(2π ##ϵ_0## ##r^2##) * ##i^##.

The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt is attached as MyAttempt.pdf.

Is it a coincidence that I'm getting double the value shown in problem 1.2?

Any help in getting to show that the vector equation for the electric field of a dipole breaks down to E = Q/(2π ##ϵ_0## ##r^2##) * ##i^## would be greatly appreciated!
 

Attachments

  • ElectricField_ForElectricDipole_Equation.jpg
    ElectricField_ForElectricDipole_Equation.jpg
    1.9 KB · Views: 442
  • MyAttempt.pdf
    MyAttempt.pdf
    41.4 KB · Views: 195
  • 1.1.jpg
    1.1.jpg
    55.8 KB · Views: 400
  • 1.2.jpg
    1.2.jpg
    49.7 KB · Views: 401
Physics news on Phys.org
You are approaching this well, but is easier to why this result comes if you examine it like this.

The x-components of the electric field add, so we say that,

E_t = E_1 + E_2\\<br /> E_1 = \frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_o}\frac{Q}{r^2}sin\theta

Which is the same as E_2 because both value of sines are positive. Even though we have a specific value for what r should be, to justify our solution we will define r using the Pythagorean theorem. So the total electric field then becomes.

E_t = \frac{2}{4\pi\epsilon_o}\frac{Q}{y^2 + \frac{d}{2}}sin\theta\\<br /> sin\theta = \frac{d}{2}{r}\\<br /> E_t =\frac{1}{4\pi\epsilon_o}\frac{Qd}{r^3}\\<br /> E_t = \frac{Qd}{4\pi\epsilon_o}\frac{8}{d^3}\\<br /> E_t = \frac{Q}{2\pi\epsilon_od^2}

Then remember that your d value is actually
d^2 = \frac{d^2}{4} = r^2

This should give you the answer that you are searching for.
 
Thanks for your answer.

Isn't what I got in the PDF of my work (in my opening/first post of this thread) ##E_t##?

It seems that you made a few typos, so in an attempt to overlook the typos, I think your work results in ##E_t## = Q/(2π ##ϵ_0## ##r^2##), such that ##E_1## = ##E_2## = Q/(4π ##ϵ_0## ##r^2##).

I'm mentioning this because my ##E_t## seems to be double yours (which in turn is double ##E_1## and ##E_2##, respectively – such that my ##E_t## is four times ##E_1## and ##E_2##, respectively), so while I think I see what you're trying to say, I'm still not getting the algebra to confirm it.

Could you please elaborate on this situation?
 
I multiplied the values first without the error limit. Got 19.38. rounded it off to 2 significant figures since the given data has 2 significant figures. So = 19. For error I used the above formula. It comes out about 1.48. Now my question is. Should I write the answer as 19±1.5 (rounding 1.48 to 2 significant figures) OR should I write it as 19±1. So in short, should the error have same number of significant figures as the mean value or should it have the same number of decimal places as...
Thread 'Collision of a bullet on a rod-string system: query'
In this question, I have a question. I am NOT trying to solve it, but it is just a conceptual question. Consider the point on the rod, which connects the string and the rod. My question: just before and after the collision, is ANGULAR momentum CONSERVED about this point? Lets call the point which connects the string and rod as P. Why am I asking this? : it is clear from the scenario that the point of concern, which connects the string and the rod, moves in a circular path due to the string...
Thread 'A cylinder connected to a hanging mass'
Let's declare that for the cylinder, mass = M = 10 kg Radius = R = 4 m For the wall and the floor, Friction coeff = ##\mu## = 0.5 For the hanging mass, mass = m = 11 kg First, we divide the force according to their respective plane (x and y thing, correct me if I'm wrong) and according to which, cylinder or the hanging mass, they're working on. Force on the hanging mass $$mg - T = ma$$ Force(Cylinder) on y $$N_f + f_w - Mg = 0$$ Force(Cylinder) on x $$T + f_f - N_w = Ma$$ There's also...
Back
Top